Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Characters / ASongOfIceAndFireSandSnakes

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

-->'''Joss Hood''': Someone needs to spank [[BrattyHalfPint that child]].
-->'''Elia Sand''': I am almost a woman grown, ser. [[KinkySpanking I’ll let you spank me]], though… [[BringIt but first you’ll need to tilt with me, and knock me off my horse]].

Added: 4

Changed: 61

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BadassAdorable: Dorea Sand, an eight-year-old girl who carries around a morningstar.

to:

* BadassAdorable: Dorea Sand, an eight-year-old 8-year-old girl who carries around a morningstar.



* LittleMissBadass: Eight-year-old Dorea Sand is already wielding a [[CarryABigStick morningstar]], using it to knock blood oranges off trees at the Water Gardens.

to:

* LittleMissBadass: Eight-year-old 8-year-old Dorea Sand is already wielding a [[CarryABigStick morningstar]], using it to knock blood oranges off trees at the Water Gardens.



* GeneralFailure: Obara talks big, but she is this if her proposed campaign plan is anything to go by. Her plan involves seizing the Marcher castles before advancing on & sacking Oldtown like it's nothing. The problem is that the Marcher castles & Oldtown boast some of the most formidable fortifications in all of Westeros & neither Oldtown nor the Marchers (except for the Carons) contributed significantly to the War of the Five Kings, meaning their forces will be on hand to defend their homes. And that's without going into details of how Dorne has a much smaller pool of manpower to recruit from & tend not to do well in prolonged campaigns away from their homeland, or that attacking the Marches or Oldtown doesn't hurt the Lannisters or gain the Dornish anything other than more enemies or that she had no plans to counter the inevitable retaliation from the Iron Throne.

to:

* GeneralFailure: Obara talks big, but she is this if her proposed campaign plan is anything to go by. Her plan involves seizing the Marcher castles before advancing on & and sacking Oldtown like it's nothing. The problem is that the Marcher castles & and Oldtown boast some of the most formidable fortifications in all of Westeros & and neither Oldtown nor the Marchers (except for the Carons) contributed significantly to the War of the Five Kings, meaning their forces will be on hand to defend their homes. And that's without going into details of how Dorne has a much smaller pool of manpower to recruit from & and tend not to do well in prolonged campaigns away from their homeland, or that attacking the Marches or Oldtown doesn't hurt the Lannisters or gain the Dornish anything other than more enemies or that she had no plans to counter the inevitable retaliation from the Iron Throne.



-->'''Nymera:''' I could wish that he died at my hand … If he had, his dying would not have been so easy.

to:

-->'''Nymera:''' I could wish that he died at my hand … hand... If he had, his dying would not have been so easy.



* WouldHurtAChild: Wants to assassinate Tywin, Cersei, Jaime and eight year old Tommen.

to:

* WouldHurtAChild: Wants to assassinate Tywin, Cersei, Jaime Jaime, and eight year old 8-year-old Tommen.



* ChildhoodFriends: With Arianne, Andrey Dalt, Sylva Santagar, and Garin. Arianne notes that she and Tyene were best friends doing everything together; they learned to ride together, read together, got drunk for the first time and would have lost their virginity together had their willing partner Andrey not gotten too excited and climaxed the moment Tyene pulled his pants down.

to:

* ChildhoodFriends: With Arianne, Andrey Dalt, Sylva Santagar, and Garin. Arianne notes that she and Tyene were best friends doing everything together; they learned to ride together, read together, got drunk for the first time time, and would have lost their virginity together had their willing partner Andrey not gotten too excited and climaxed the moment Tyene pulled his pants down.



** Interestingly, her plan has a greater chance of success based on historical precedence & common sense, than Obara's, even though Obara fits the [[ActionGirl warrior woman]] archetype much better.

to:

** Interestingly, her plan has a greater chance of success based on historical precedence & and common sense, than Obara's, even though Obara fits the [[ActionGirl warrior woman]] archetype much better.



Oberyn and Ellaria's fourteen-year-old daughter, and a jouster-in-training.

to:

Oberyn and Ellaria's fourteen-year-old 14-year-old daughter, and a jouster-in-training.



* BigSisterWorship: She worships the elder Sand Snakes, and is in turn looked up to by her younger sisters Dorea and Loreza. Her mother fears that she will follow Obara, Nymeria and Tyene in their pursuit of vengeance against House Lannister and get herself killed.

to:

* BigSisterWorship: She worships the elder Sand Snakes, and is in turn looked up to by her younger sisters Dorea and Loreza. Her mother fears that she will follow Obara, Nymeria Nymeria, and Tyene in their pursuit of vengeance against House Lannister and get herself killed.



* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: Played with. On the one hand, there is plenty of precedent for Elia's overly precocious forwardness in both candoodling in corners and adventuring when she's supposed to be doing other things. On the other, seeing actions not unlike her own at that age, both from the outside ''and'' from an older perspective, ''is'' a truly troubling experience for poor Arianne; on a number of uncomfortable levels.
[[/folder]]

to:

* TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior: Played with. On the one hand, there is plenty of precedent for Elia's overly precocious forwardness in both candoodling canoodling in corners and adventuring when she's supposed to be doing other things. On the other, seeing actions not unlike her own at that age, both from the outside ''and'' from an older perspective, ''is'' a truly troubling experience for poor Arianne; on a number of uncomfortable levels.
[[/folder]][[/folder]]

----

Added: 80

Removed: 74

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Knife Nut is getting disambiguated into Devious Daggers and Psycho Knife Nut


* DeviousDaggers: She is mentioned to always have a dozen daggers on her person.



* KnifeNut: She is mentioned to always have a dozen daggers on her person.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BlueBlood: From her mother's side, she has "the noblest blood of Old Volantis," and from her father's, she has the blood of Martell royalty.

to:

* BlueBlood: From her mother's side, she has "the noblest blood of Old Volantis," and from her father's, she has the blood of Martell Dornish royalty.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BlueBlood: From her mother's side, she has "the noblest blood of Old Volantis," and from her father's, she has the blood of Martell royalty.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Misuse of the trope. There has to be a statement where a character notes the two are similar.


* NotSoDifferentRemark: From Arianne herself. She's a bold RebelliousPrincess who is a thorn in the side of an older relative. When Arianne caught her kissing a servant, she doesn't miss that she lost her virginity at her very same age. All of this is the exact reason her father sent Elia with Arianne.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Hypothetical Casting is now Trivia and excludes fancasts


* HypotheticalCasting: Creator/GeorgeRRMartin has mentioned that Creator/JaninaGavankar looks like what he envisioned for Lady Nym.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No contradictions with genetics


* DarkSkinnedBlonde: Possibly. Her skin tone is never described, but considering her father was stated to be olive-skinned and she spends an awful lot of time in a place famous for its relentless sun, she'll have a tan relative to others in Westeros even if she ''tries'' to stay indoors. [[note]]However, there is the nagging suspicion that she could actually be fair-skinned, so it's up in the air. The Martells ''do'' have pale, Targaryen blood hiding in their gene pool, after all; so blonde-and-pale cropping up as a recessive isn't beyond the realms of possibility considering how loosely this series plays with genetics.[[/note]]

to:

* DarkSkinnedBlonde: Possibly. Her skin tone is never described, but considering her father was stated to be olive-skinned and she spends an awful lot of time in a place famous for its relentless sun, she'll have a tan relative to others in Westeros even if she ''tries'' to stay indoors. [[note]]However, there is the nagging suspicion that she could actually be fair-skinned, so it's up in the air. The Martells ''do'' have pale, Targaryen blood hiding in their gene pool, after all; so blonde-and-pale cropping up as a recessive isn't beyond the realms of possibility considering how loosely this series plays with genetics.possibility. It's also possible that her mother was fair-skinned.[[/note]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HypotheticalCasting: Creator/GeorgeRRMartin has mentioned that Creator/JaninaGavankar looks like what he envisioned for Lady Nym.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SmugSnake: Fitting given their nickame, the three elder Obara, Nymeria and Tyene are certainely this if their attitude and plans to avenge their father and Elia's deaths are anything to go by. Obara is very arrogant and loud but her plan to avenge her father indicates that she has very poor strategic and planning skills, Nymeria is more subtle but her plan for vengeance is just for her and Tyenne to assassinate the main Lannisters as if it was evident without any real plan or thinking about the consequences of what could happen if she and Tyenne are caught,and while Tyenne's plan is smarter than her sisters' with her intending for Dorne to use its home advantage against the Lannisters it's based on the assumption that the Lannisters and the Tyrells would send armies to Dorne after Myrcella is crowned queen of the Seven Kingdms which is far from certain to happen given the differences in inheritence laws and mentality between Dorne and the other kingdoms. They also constantly act arrogant and disdainful toward Doran even if his leniency and patience is the only thing keeping them out of prison.

to:

* SmugSnake: Fitting given their nickame, the three elder Obara, Nymeria and Tyene are certainely this if their attitude and plans to avenge their father and Elia's deaths are anything to go by. Obara is very arrogant and loud but her plan to avenge her father indicates that she has very poor strategic and planning skills, Nymeria is more subtle but her plan for vengeance is just for her and Tyenne Tyene to assassinate the main Lannisters as if it was evident without any real plan or thinking about the consequences of what could happen if she and Tyenne Tyene are caught,and caught, and while Tyenne's Tyene's plan is smarter than her sisters' with her intending for Dorne to use its home advantage against the Lannisters Lannisters, it's based on the assumption that the Lannisters and the Tyrells would send armies to Dorne after Myrcella is crowned queen Queen of the Seven Kingdms Kingdoms which is far from certain to happen given the differences in inheritence inheritance laws and mentality between Dorne and the other kingdoms. They also constantly act arrogant and disdainful toward Doran even if his leniency and patience is the only thing keeping them out of prison.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SmugSnake: Fitting given their nickame, the three elder Obara, Nymeria and Tyene are certainely this if their attitude and plans to avenge their father and Elia's deaths are anything to go by. Obara is very arrogant and loud but her plan to avenge her father indicates that she has very poor strategic and planning skills, Nymeria is more subtle but her plan for vengeance is just for her and Tyenne to assassinate the main Lannisters as if it was evident without any real plan or thinking about the consequences of what could happen if she and Tyenne are caught,and while Tyenne's plan is smarter than her sisters' with her intending for Dorne to use its home advantage against the Lannisters it's based on the assumption that the Lannisters and the Tyrells would send armies to Dorne after Myrcella is crowned queen of the Seven Kingdms which is far from certain to happen given the differences in inheritence laws and mentality between Dorne and the other kingdoms. They also constantly act arrogant and disdainful toward Doran even if his leniency and patience is the only thing keeping them out of prison.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
No longer a trope. Cut speculation.


* MixedAncestry: Half Westerosi and half Volantene.



* MixedAncestry: Oberyn was a "Salty Dornishman" while Sarella's mother is from the Summer Isles.
* SweetPollyOliver: If she's Alleras.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* PracticallyDifferentGenerations: Obara (the eldest) is twenty-eight while Loreza (the youngest) is seven.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:


* NotSoDifferent: From Arianne herself. She's a bold RebelliousPrincess who is a thorn in the side of an older relative. When Arianne caught her kissing a servant, she doesn't miss that she lost her virginity at her very same age. All of this is the exact reason her father sent Elia with Arianne.

to:

* NotSoDifferent: NotSoDifferentRemark: From Arianne herself. She's a bold RebelliousPrincess who is a thorn in the side of an older relative. When Arianne caught her kissing a servant, she doesn't miss that she lost her virginity at her very same age. All of this is the exact reason her father sent Elia with Arianne.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* FighterMageThief: The three eldest Sand Snakes fit this in regards to their skillsets and how they . Obara is a BrawnHilda, the most physically who fights with spear, shield, and whip and calls for the razing of Oldtown, Nymeria is the Thief with her penchant for HiddenWeapons (knives in particular) and suggests assassination as retribution for [[spoiler:the death of the Sand Snakes' father Oberyn]], and Tyene is the Mage; she has no fighting skills, but she's a MasterPoisoner who advises a more defensive war by letting Dorne's desert environment break the Lannisters.

to:

* FighterMageThief: The three eldest Sand Snakes fit this in regards to their skillsets and how they . they wish to conduct war. Obara is a BrawnHilda, the most physically physical who fights with spear, shield, and whip and calls for the razing of Oldtown, Nymeria is the Thief with her penchant for HiddenWeapons (knives in particular) and suggests assassination as retribution for [[spoiler:the death of the Sand Snakes' father Oberyn]], and Tyene is the Mage; she has no fighting skills, but she's a MasterPoisoner who advises a more defensive war by letting Dorne's desert environment break the Lannisters.

Added: 321

Changed: 583

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* LittleMissBadass: Eight-year-old Dorea Sand is already wielding a morningstar, using it to knock blood oranges off trees at the Water Gardens.

to:

* FighterMageThief: The three eldest Sand Snakes fit this in regards to their skillsets and how they . Obara is a BrawnHilda, the most physically who fights with spear, shield, and whip and calls for the razing of Oldtown, Nymeria is the Thief with her penchant for HiddenWeapons (knives in particular) and suggests assassination as retribution for [[spoiler:the death of the Sand Snakes' father Oberyn]], and Tyene is the Mage; she has no fighting skills, but she's a MasterPoisoner who advises a more defensive war by letting Dorne's desert environment break the Lannisters.
* LittleMissBadass: Eight-year-old Dorea Sand is already wielding a morningstar, [[CarryABigStick morningstar]], using it to knock blood oranges off trees at the Water Gardens.


Added DiffLines:

* EnduranceDuel: Her idea for a war is [[spoiler:to crown Myrcella and let the Lannisters come to them, so that the desert climate of Dorne will break them.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* MsFanservice: On par with Arianne. She often wears very revealing clothing, which Areo Hotah likes, not because of the fanservice, but because it makes it easier to spot if she is carrying any knives.

to:

* MsFanservice: On par with Arianne. She often wears very revealing clothing, which Areo Hotah likes, prefer, not because of for the fanservice, but because it makes it easier to spot if she is carrying any knives.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheAlcoholic: Her uncle Doran describes her as fond of wine.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Punctuation correction


* RebelliousPrincess: This is the very reason why Doran sends her with Arianne: as "revenge"

to:

* RebelliousPrincess: This is the very reason why Doran sends her with Arianne: as "revenge""revenge".
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


!!!This is a listing of Oberyn Martell'a daughters in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.

to:

!!!This is a listing of Oberyn Martell'a Martell's daughters in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trope misuse. This is about actual mules and donkeys.


* StubbornMule: They don't seem to understand that the Dornish can only win a war as long as they don't leave Dorne (as the Dornish did with the Targaryens for more than two centuries). Though they don't stop insulting Doran to his face, they heed to his authority in the end.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ChildhoodFriends: With Arianne, Andrey Dalt, Sylva Santagar, and Garin. Arianne notes that she and Tyene were best friends doing everything together; they learned to ride together, to fight together, got drunk for the first time and would have lost their virginity together had their willing partner Drey not gotten too excited and climaxed the moment Tyene pulled his pants down.

to:

* ChildhoodFriends: With Arianne, Andrey Dalt, Sylva Santagar, and Garin. Arianne notes that she and Tyene were best friends doing everything together; they learned to ride together, to fight read together, got drunk for the first time and would have lost their virginity together had their willing partner Drey Andrey not gotten too excited and climaxed the moment Tyene pulled his pants down.



* DarkSkinnedBlonde: Possibly. Her skin tone is never described, but considering her father was stated to be olive-skinned and she spends an awful lot of time in a place famous for its relentless sun, she'll have a tan relative to others in Westeros even if she ''tries'' to stay indoors. [[note]] However, there is the nagging suspicion that she could actually be fair-skinned, so it's up in the air. The Martells ''do'' have pale, Targaryen blood hiding in their gene pool, after all; so blonde-and-pale cropping up as a recessive isn't beyond the realms of possibility considering how loosely this series plays with genetics. [[/note]]

to:

* DarkSkinnedBlonde: Possibly. Her skin tone is never described, but considering her father was stated to be olive-skinned and she spends an awful lot of time in a place famous for its relentless sun, she'll have a tan relative to others in Westeros even if she ''tries'' to stay indoors. [[note]] However, [[note]]However, there is the nagging suspicion that she could actually be fair-skinned, so it's up in the air. The Martells ''do'' have pale, Targaryen blood hiding in their gene pool, after all; so blonde-and-pale cropping up as a recessive isn't beyond the realms of possibility considering how loosely this series plays with genetics. [[/note]]



** Interestingly, her plan has a greater chance of success based on historical precedence & common sense, than Obara's, even though Obara fits the WarriorWoman archetype much better.

to:

** Interestingly, her plan has a greater chance of success based on historical precedence & common sense, than Obara's, even though Obara fits the WarriorWoman [[ActionGirl warrior woman]] archetype much better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* GeneralFailure: Obara talks big, but she is this if her proposed campaign plan is anything to go by. Her plan involves seizing the Marcher castles before advancing on & sacking Oldtown like it's nothing. The problem is that the Marcher castles & Oldtown boast some of the most formidable fortifications in all of Westeros & neither Oldtown nor the Marchers(except for the Carons) contributed significantly to the War of the Five Kings, meaning their forces will be on hand to defend their homes. And that's without going into details of how Dorne has a much smaller pool of manpower to recruit from & tend not to do well in prolonged campaigns away from their homeland, or that attacking the Marches or Oldtown doesn't hurt the Lannisters or gain the Dornish anything other than more enemies or that she had no plans to counter the inevitable retaliation from the Iron Throne.

to:

* GeneralFailure: Obara talks big, but she is this if her proposed campaign plan is anything to go by. Her plan involves seizing the Marcher castles before advancing on & sacking Oldtown like it's nothing. The problem is that the Marcher castles & Oldtown boast some of the most formidable fortifications in all of Westeros & neither Oldtown nor the Marchers(except Marchers (except for the Carons) contributed significantly to the War of the Five Kings, meaning their forces will be on hand to defend their homes. And that's without going into details of how Dorne has a much smaller pool of manpower to recruit from & tend not to do well in prolonged campaigns away from their homeland, or that attacking the Marches or Oldtown doesn't hurt the Lannisters or gain the Dornish anything other than more enemies or that she had no plans to counter the inevitable retaliation from the Iron Throne.



* MasterPoisoner: Her reputation as one is so well known that when Doran puts his hand on her head for a blessing, a Maester ''immediately'' checks for puncture marks afterwards.

to:

* MasterPoisoner: Her reputation as one is so well known that when Doran puts his hand on her head for a blessing, a Maester Caleotte ''immediately'' checks for puncture marks afterwards.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Interestingly, her plan has a greater chance of success based on historical precedence & common sense, than Obara's, even though Obara fits the WarriorWoman archetype much better.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* InnocentBlueEyes: She isn't really, but she invokes this trope and HairOfGoldHeartOfGold, using her wide blue eyes and blonde hair to appear sweet, innocent, and pious.

to:

* InnocentBlueEyes: She isn't really, but she invokes exploits this trope and HairOfGoldHeartOfGold, using her wide blue eyes and blonde hair to appear sweet, innocent, and pious.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Woman In White renamed and redefined by TRS


* WomanInWhite: She is rather pleased when [[spoiler:Doran dispatches her to infiltrate the Faith as a Septa.]]

to:

* WomanInWhite: VirginInAWhiteDress: Discussed. She is rather pleased when [[spoiler:Doran dispatches her to infiltrate the Faith as a Septa.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* GeneralFailure: Obara talks big, but she is this if her proposed campaign plan is anything to go by. Her plan involves seizing the Marcher castles before advancing on & sacking Oldtown like it's nothing. The problem is that the Marcher castles & Oldtown boast some of the most formidable fortifications in all of Westeros & neither Oldtown nor the Marchers(except for the Carons) contributed significantly to the War of the Five Kings, meaning their forces will be on hand to defend their homes. And that's without going into details of how Dorne has a much smaller pool of manpower to recruit from & tend not to do well in prolonged campaigns away from their homeland, or that attacking the Marches or Oldtown doesn't hurt the Lannisters or gain the Dornish anything other than more enemies or that she had no plans to counter the inevitable retaliation from the Iron Throne.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BigSisterWorship: She worships the elder Sand Snakes, and is in turn looked up to by her younger sisters Dorea and Loreza. Her mother fears that she will follow Obara, Nymeria and Tyene in their pursuit of vengeance against House Lannister and get herself killed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* WhereIWasBornAndRazed: [[spoiler:As revenge for her father Oberyn's death, she plans to destroy Oldtown, which is also the place where she was born.]]


Added DiffLines:

* MixedAncestry: Half Westerosi and half Volantene.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* DissonantSerenity: She asks Ser Balon Swann if [[spoiler:the Mountain]] suffered a long and painful death, in the same tone of voice a girl might use to ask someone if her dress was pretty.

Top