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!!Character-Specific Pages
By default, all Characters pages on the wiki are intended to hold multiple characters. A new page might only contain one character when it's launched, but it'll become a shared page when other characters from the work are added.
Character-Specific Pages ([=CSPs=]) are the exception.
Some characters have so many trope examples that their folder becomes too big to manage on a shared page. If this happens, we'll consider creating a Character-Specific Page.
* '''[=CSPs=] should never be created when a work's Characters pages are first created''' -- only when a pre-existing Characters page grows too large.
* A Character-Specific Page is a practical measure for the wiki, '''not''' a badge of honor for the character. The character's popularity and role in the story are irrelevant.
* '''[=CSPs=] must not be created unilaterally''', as they need to go through a review and approval process.
For more details, see the Administrivia/CharacterSpecificPages policy page.
By default, all Characters pages on the wiki are intended to hold multiple characters. A new page might only contain one character when it's launched, but it'll become a shared page when other characters from the work are added.
Character-Specific Pages ([=CSPs=]) are the exception.
Some characters have so many trope examples that their folder becomes too big to manage on a shared page. If this happens, we'll consider creating a Character-Specific Page.
* '''[=CSPs=] should never be created when a work's Characters pages are first created''' -- only when a pre-existing Characters page grows too large.
* A Character-Specific Page is a practical measure for the wiki, '''not''' a badge of honor for the character. The character's popularity and role in the story are irrelevant.
* '''[=CSPs=] must not be created unilaterally''', as they need to go through a review and approval process.
For more details, see the Administrivia/CharacterSpecificPages policy page.
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Each character should have their own description in the folder. This is necessary to provide context to the tropes. Just a short summary of the character is fine.\\
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Each character should have their own description in the folder. This While it is necessary to provide context to the tropes. Just tropes, the description should not be overly long, nor should it be written as a [[Administrivia/WalkthroughMode progression guide]]. We here at TV Tropes are not interested in a character's stats, favorite things, abilities, or birthday. Unless it is needed to contextualize an example, that information is best left to other wikis, and if it is pertinent, it should be in the relevant trope's example text, not the description. A short summary of that familiarizes the character is fine.reader with the character's basic premise will suffice.\\
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## Once a Characters page is live, changes to its spoiler approach (including the cut-off point for tagging spoilers, if it uses one) should be agreed on the discussion page on relevant forum threads, not made unilaterally.
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## Once a Characters page is live, changes to its spoiler approach (including the cut-off point for tagging spoilers, if it uses one) should be agreed on the discussion page or on relevant forum threads, not made unilaterally.
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## For ongoing works, it is not uncommon to remove all spoiler tags before the current book/season/movie, in order to cut down on clutter. A warning that all spoilers up to the current book/season/movie are unmarked should be placed at the top of the page.
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## For ongoing works, it is not uncommon may be useful to remove all spoiler tags before a certain point (e.g. before the current book/season/movie, book/season/movie), in order to cut down on clutter. A similar approach can be used for pages covering SharedUniverse characters who appear across multiple works. If so, a clear warning that all spoilers up to the current book/season/movie before that point are unmarked should be placed at added to the top of the page.
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## Once a Characters page is live, changes to its spoiler approach (including the cut-off point for tagging spoilers, if it uses one) should be agreed on the discussion page on relevant forum threads, not made unilaterally.
## Once a Characters page is live, changes to its spoiler approach (including the cut-off point for tagging spoilers, if it uses one) should be agreed on the discussion page on relevant forum threads, not made unilaterally.
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You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required. Don't go ''overboard'' with images, either -- the goal of a character sheet is to list tropes, not catalog all their appearances. One or two representative images will do.\\
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You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required. Don't go ''overboard'' with images, either -- the goal of a character sheet is to list tropes, not catalog all their appearances. One or two representative images will do.do; others may be listed on an ImageLinks subpage.\\
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You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required.\\
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You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required. Don't go ''overboard'' with images, either -- the goal of a character sheet is to list tropes, not catalog all their appearances. One or two representative images will do.\\
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You may add an actor (if they have one); use the format [=->'''Played by: [actor name]=] above the description, similar to a quote.\\
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You may add an actor (if they have one); use the format [=->'''Played by: [actor name]=] one) above the description, similar to description. Please note that only the actors for the language of the original production and the language the character sheet is in (if different) should be listed first. Any foreign voice actors should be listed in a quote.[[note]] tag after the original and local [=VAs=]. \\
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Tropes on a character sheet should describe the character -- their appearance, personality, or any characteristic actions. If a trope example that the character in is an action, or better involves the plot or the setting (eg. {{Foreshadowing}}, PaintballEpisode, or GreenHillZone), it should go on the main page. The exception is when an action is a ''recurring character trait''; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such. For example, a one-off incidence of MapStabbing should go on the work page, but if [=Captain McStab=] drives a dagger through every map he sees, it can warrant an entry in his character sheet. For input on whether a trope is better on a main work page or a character sheet, consult [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15439086890A88611800&page=1 this forum thread]]. \\
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Tropes on a character sheet should describe the character -- their appearance, personality, or any characteristic actions. If a trope example that the character in is an action, or better involves is more about the plot or the setting (eg. {{Foreshadowing}}, PaintballEpisode, or GreenHillZone), it should go on the main page. The exception is when an action is a ''recurring character trait''; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such. For example, a one-off incidence of MapStabbing should go on the work page, but if [=Captain McStab=] drives a dagger through every map he sees, it can warrant an entry in his character sheet. For input on whether a trope is better on a main work page or a character sheet, consult [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15439086890A88611800&page=1 this forum thread]]. \\
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Tropes on a character sheet should describe the character -- their appearance, personality, or any characteristic actions. If a trope example that the character in is an action, or better involves the plot or the setting (eg. {{Foreshadowing}}, PaintballEpisode, or GreenHillZone), it should go on the main page. The exception is when an action is a ''recurring character trait''; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such (for example, a one-off incidence of MapStabbing should go on the work page, but if [=Captain McStab=] drives a dagger through every map he sees, it can warrant an entry in his character sheet. For input on whether a trope is better on a main work page or a character sheet, consult [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15439086890A88611800&page=1 this forum thread]]. \\
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Tropes on a character sheet should describe the character -- their appearance, personality, or any characteristic actions. If a trope example that the character in is an action, or better involves the plot or the setting (eg. {{Foreshadowing}}, PaintballEpisode, or GreenHillZone), it should go on the main page. The exception is when an action is a ''recurring character trait''; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such (for such. For example, a one-off incidence of MapStabbing should go on the work page, but if [=Captain McStab=] drives a dagger through every map he sees, it can warrant an entry in his character sheet. For input on whether a trope is better on a main work page or a character sheet, consult [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15439086890A88611800&page=1 this forum thread]]. \\
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Tropes on a character sheet should describe the character -- their appearance, personality, or any characteristic actions. If a trope example that the character in is an action, or better involves the plot or the setting (eg. {{Foreshadowing}}, PaintballEpisode, or GreenHillZone), it should go on the main page. The exception is when an action is a ''recurring character trait''; those can be put on the character sheet and explained as such (for example, a one-off incidence of MapStabbing should go on the work page, but if [=Captain McStab=] drives a dagger through every map he sees, it can warrant an entry in his character sheet. For input on whether a trope is better on a main work page or a character sheet, consult [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15439086890A88611800&page=1 this forum thread]]. \\
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Wiki/TVTropes is an English-language wiki, so we prefer to use the official English names where applicable. If there is no official English name, then try to use the most common translation. However, be careful to never ever get in an edit war over it; if there are arguments, take it to the discussion page or AskTheTropers.
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The first step is to find the page where your work is going to go. You can do this by changing the URL of an existing wikipage (e.g. open [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere]], change "[=TitleGoesHere=]" to the name of the work, and "[=NamespaceGoesHere=]" to one of the namespaces below) or by creating a RedLink (in the form of [[Characters/TitleGoesHere Characters/TitleGoesHere]]) on the WikiSandbox (or anywhere else) and clicking it. Either way, once you've arrived at that page, click the "Edit" button at the top to start editing.\\
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The first step is to find the page where your work is going to go. You can do this by changing the URL of an existing wikipage (e.g. open [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere]], change "[=TitleGoesHere=]" to the name of the work, and "[=NamespaceGoesHere=]" to one of the namespaces below) or by creating a RedLink Administrivia/RedLink (in the form of [[Characters/TitleGoesHere Characters/TitleGoesHere]]) on the WikiSandbox (or anywhere else) and clicking it. Either way, once you've arrived at that page, click the "Edit" button at the top to start editing.\\
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!! Step-by-step guide
# '''Find the blank page to edit'''\\
The first step is to find the page where your work is going to go. You can do this by changing the URL of an existing wikipage (e.g. open [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere]], change "[=TitleGoesHere=]" to the name of the work, and "[=NamespaceGoesHere=]" to one of the namespaces below) or by creating a RedLink (in the form of [[Characters/TitleGoesHere Characters/TitleGoesHere]]) on the WikiSandbox (or anywhere else) and clicking it. Either way, once you've arrived at that page, click the "Edit" button at the top to start editing.\\
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Remember to use the Characters/ namespace for the article.
# '''Add characters in folders'''\\
Each character should have their own individual folder, using the [=[[folder:Character Name]] [[/folder]]=] markup.\\
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Each character should have their own description in the folder. This is necessary to provide context to the tropes. Just a short summary of the character is fine.\\
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At the bottom of the description, type [=----=] (four hyphens) to create a horizontal line. Then start listing tropes. '''Remember:''' Each example needs to follow the normal Administrivia/ZeroContextExample guidelines. If a character does not have at least one non-ZCE trope, they should not be on the page.\\
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The trope examples should be in a bulleted list, [[Administrivia/HowToAlphabetizeThings alphabetically]], with one entry per line, followed by a colon (:) and a brief explanation of how the trope applies. Check the Administrivia/TextFormattingRules if you need help with the wiki markup, and Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample for miscellaneous tips on style.\\
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Rules for spoilers are the same as on other pages, but still important to keep in mind. See Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers.\\
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You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required.\\
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You may add a quote for the character. See Administrivia/QuotesFormatting.\\
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You may add an actor (if they have one); use the format [=->'''Played by: [actor name]=] above the description, similar to a quote.\\
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Once you have a description and a trope list, click "preview" to check your work and then click "save" to save your edits and publish the page.
# '''Add indexes'''\\
Find an index where the work belongs. Most character pages just have a single index based on media type. So a tv show would be Characters.LiveActionTV, a webcomic would be Characters.{{Webcomics}}, so on and so forth. Add the character page to the index, in alphabetical order.\\
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Administrivia/HowIndexingWorks covers this topic in more detail.
And that's it! You're all set. Feel free to click the "add watch" button at the top of the page if you'd like to track changes through your [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/awl.php Watchlist]].
!! Need help?
If you have any questions about this process, don't be shy! Create a query in AskTheTropers or start a thread in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=0000000000000000000000f3 Wiki Talk]], and you should get a response pretty quickly. You can also use [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Administrivia.HowToCreateACharacterPage this page's discussion section]].
If you need help writing up a description or coming up with applicable tropes to list, you'll want to find other fans. Try posting in the appropriate Media section in the Administrivia/TVTropesForum to get help and advice from the tropers there.
!! Frequently asked questions
* '''How many characters do I need to add/can I add to the page?'''\\
As many as you feel is appropriate, so long as they have a description and a trope list. Without those, the character will be removed, no matter how important they are in the work.
* '''What do I do with characters from a foreign work with inconsistent name translations?'''\\
Wiki/TVTropes is an English-language wiki, so we prefer to use the official English names where applicable. If there is no official English name, then try to use the most common translation. However, be careful to never ever get in an edit war over it; if there are arguments, take it to the discussion page or AskTheTropers.
* '''What are the spoilers rules for character pages?'''\\
Spoilers on character pages are exactly the same as every other page on the wiki, as covered under Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers. However, many of the rules are more immediately relevant or problematic on character pages. So remember:
## Never spoiler-tag the trope name in the example list. If something is so much of a spoiler it can't be under a character entry, it can go on the main page instead.
## Never spoiler-tag anything above the example line. This includes folder titles, descriptions, and quotes.
## If a character is a WalkingSpoiler, the folder title still must have their name or a description. Concealing their name by calling the folder "Spoiler Character" is not allowed. If there are too many {{Walking Spoiler}}s on the page, then all spoiler tags should be removed from the page, and a warning about spoilers placed at the top of the page.
## For ongoing works, it is not uncommon to remove all spoiler tags before the current book/season/movie, in order to cut down on clutter. A warning that all spoilers up to the current book/season/movie are unmarked should be placed at the top of the page.
* '''What are the ZCE rules for character pages?'''\\
Zero-context examples on character pages are exactly the same as every other page on the wiki, as covered under Administrivia/ZeroContextExample. However, many of the rules are more immediately relevant or problematic on character pages. So remember:
## Every example needs context, no matter how "obvious" it is.
## This includes appearance tropes that can be seen in the character's picture.
## Examples should not reference the image or quote "as you can see in the picture..." The example needs to be able to stand on its own.
!!Example character entries:
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[[folder:Alice]]
!!Alice Alpha
->''"Standard hero quote."''
The hero of the story, the last survivor of her village.
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* TheChosenOne: Named by ancient prophecy to destroy TheEmpire. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Which is why the Empire attacked her village]].
* DoomedHometown: TheEmpire attacks her village in an effort to avert the prophecy by killing her before she came into her power.
* TheHero: Prophecy aside, Alice is courageous and always quick to help people in need.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Bob]]
!!Robert "Bob" Beta
->''"Standard lancer quote."''
Alice's best friend, who was out of town when the village was destroyed.
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* TheLancer: Much more level-headed than Alice, he provides a voice of reason for why jumping head first into any situation might not be the best idea.
* TheMole: [[spoiler:Turns out the reason he was out of the village was because he knew TheEmpire was coming. He didn't expect them to kill everyone, though, just TheChosenOne (who he didn't know was Alice)]].
* TheUnchosenOne: He explicitly has no special destiny, as pointed out by a seer.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Charlie]]
!!Charlie Charleson III
->''"Standard smart guy quote."''
A researcher at the city closest to Alice's village.
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* GenderBlenderName: The fact that everyone initially assumes Charlie is male saves her life when TheEmpire comes looking for her.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She almost got kicked out of university for unsanctioned experiments, but she was ultimately cleared. [[BlackComedy She mentions she's lucky they didn't check the basement]].
* TheSmartGuy: The only main character with any actual schooling, she serves as MrExposition for every new town they wander into.
[[/folder]]
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# '''Find the blank page to edit'''\\
The first step is to find the page where your work is going to go. You can do this by changing the URL of an existing wikipage (e.g. open [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NamespaceGoesHere/TitleGoesHere]], change "[=TitleGoesHere=]" to the name of the work, and "[=NamespaceGoesHere=]" to one of the namespaces below) or by creating a RedLink (in the form of [[Characters/TitleGoesHere Characters/TitleGoesHere]]) on the WikiSandbox (or anywhere else) and clicking it. Either way, once you've arrived at that page, click the "Edit" button at the top to start editing.\\
\\
Remember to use the Characters/ namespace for the article.
# '''Add characters in folders'''\\
Each character should have their own individual folder, using the [=[[folder:Character Name]] [[/folder]]=] markup.\\
\\
Each character should have their own description in the folder. This is necessary to provide context to the tropes. Just a short summary of the character is fine.\\
\\
At the bottom of the description, type [=----=] (four hyphens) to create a horizontal line. Then start listing tropes. '''Remember:''' Each example needs to follow the normal Administrivia/ZeroContextExample guidelines. If a character does not have at least one non-ZCE trope, they should not be on the page.\\
\\
The trope examples should be in a bulleted list, [[Administrivia/HowToAlphabetizeThings alphabetically]], with one entry per line, followed by a colon (:) and a brief explanation of how the trope applies. Check the Administrivia/TextFormattingRules if you need help with the wiki markup, and Administrivia/HowToWriteAnExample for miscellaneous tips on style.\\
\\
Rules for spoilers are the same as on other pages, but still important to keep in mind. See Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers.\\
\\
You may add an image for the character. You can use the upload form under the "More" dropdown of the article header to add an image. See Administrivia/HowToPickAGoodImage for more info. If you're not sure, you can just skip the image; it looks nice, but it's not required.\\
\\
You may add a quote for the character. See Administrivia/QuotesFormatting.\\
\\
You may add an actor (if they have one); use the format [=->'''Played by: [actor name]=] above the description, similar to a quote.\\
\\
Once you have a description and a trope list, click "preview" to check your work and then click "save" to save your edits and publish the page.
# '''Add indexes'''\\
Find an index where the work belongs. Most character pages just have a single index based on media type. So a tv show would be Characters.LiveActionTV, a webcomic would be Characters.{{Webcomics}}, so on and so forth. Add the character page to the index, in alphabetical order.\\
\\
Administrivia/HowIndexingWorks covers this topic in more detail.
And that's it! You're all set. Feel free to click the "add watch" button at the top of the page if you'd like to track changes through your [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/awl.php Watchlist]].
!! Need help?
If you have any questions about this process, don't be shy! Create a query in AskTheTropers or start a thread in [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/conversations.php?topic=0000000000000000000000f3 Wiki Talk]], and you should get a response pretty quickly. You can also use [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=Administrivia.HowToCreateACharacterPage this page's discussion section]].
If you need help writing up a description or coming up with applicable tropes to list, you'll want to find other fans. Try posting in the appropriate Media section in the Administrivia/TVTropesForum to get help and advice from the tropers there.
!! Frequently asked questions
* '''How many characters do I need to add/can I add to the page?'''\\
As many as you feel is appropriate, so long as they have a description and a trope list. Without those, the character will be removed, no matter how important they are in the work.
* '''What do I do with characters from a foreign work with inconsistent name translations?'''\\
Wiki/TVTropes is an English-language wiki, so we prefer to use the official English names where applicable. If there is no official English name, then try to use the most common translation. However, be careful to never ever get in an edit war over it; if there are arguments, take it to the discussion page or AskTheTropers.
* '''What are the spoilers rules for character pages?'''\\
Spoilers on character pages are exactly the same as every other page on the wiki, as covered under Administrivia/HandlingSpoilers. However, many of the rules are more immediately relevant or problematic on character pages. So remember:
## Never spoiler-tag the trope name in the example list. If something is so much of a spoiler it can't be under a character entry, it can go on the main page instead.
## Never spoiler-tag anything above the example line. This includes folder titles, descriptions, and quotes.
## If a character is a WalkingSpoiler, the folder title still must have their name or a description. Concealing their name by calling the folder "Spoiler Character" is not allowed. If there are too many {{Walking Spoiler}}s on the page, then all spoiler tags should be removed from the page, and a warning about spoilers placed at the top of the page.
## For ongoing works, it is not uncommon to remove all spoiler tags before the current book/season/movie, in order to cut down on clutter. A warning that all spoilers up to the current book/season/movie are unmarked should be placed at the top of the page.
* '''What are the ZCE rules for character pages?'''\\
Zero-context examples on character pages are exactly the same as every other page on the wiki, as covered under Administrivia/ZeroContextExample. However, many of the rules are more immediately relevant or problematic on character pages. So remember:
## Every example needs context, no matter how "obvious" it is.
## This includes appearance tropes that can be seen in the character's picture.
## Examples should not reference the image or quote "as you can see in the picture..." The example needs to be able to stand on its own.
!!Example character entries:
[[foldercontrol]]
[[folder:Alice]]
!!Alice Alpha
->''"Standard hero quote."''
The hero of the story, the last survivor of her village.
----
* TheChosenOne: Named by ancient prophecy to destroy TheEmpire. [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne Which is why the Empire attacked her village]].
* DoomedHometown: TheEmpire attacks her village in an effort to avert the prophecy by killing her before she came into her power.
* TheHero: Prophecy aside, Alice is courageous and always quick to help people in need.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Bob]]
!!Robert "Bob" Beta
->''"Standard lancer quote."''
Alice's best friend, who was out of town when the village was destroyed.
----
* TheLancer: Much more level-headed than Alice, he provides a voice of reason for why jumping head first into any situation might not be the best idea.
* TheMole: [[spoiler:Turns out the reason he was out of the village was because he knew TheEmpire was coming. He didn't expect them to kill everyone, though, just TheChosenOne (who he didn't know was Alice)]].
* TheUnchosenOne: He explicitly has no special destiny, as pointed out by a seer.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Charlie]]
!!Charlie Charleson III
->''"Standard smart guy quote."''
A researcher at the city closest to Alice's village.
----
* GenderBlenderName: The fact that everyone initially assumes Charlie is male saves her life when TheEmpire comes looking for her.
* MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate: She almost got kicked out of university for unsanctioned experiments, but she was ultimately cleared. [[BlackComedy She mentions she's lucky they didn't check the basement]].
* TheSmartGuy: The only main character with any actual schooling, she serves as MrExposition for every new town they wander into.
[[/folder]]
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