Web Video Jesu Otaku Discussion

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08:20:33 AM Mar 9th 2016
Erm, i'm not sure how this kind of thing is usually done, but shouldn't the pronoun 'he' only be used for when Chapman came out and openly identified as male?
10:24:37 AM Mar 29th 2016
edited by KronosKid
No. That's not really how it works.

Trans people generally consider themselves to always have been their gender, but either not realised it, or didn't have it recognised by others. So using their current/future pronouns retroactively is what's most appropriate.

It's like with gay people who've had relationships with men/women of the opposite sex. It's not as if they "used" to be straight. They were gay all along but either didn't realise it or were hiding it for whatever reason.
03:03:50 PM Feb 2nd 2016
So when did TVT decide to Orwell articles? Or has it decided that 1984 was meant to be a template.
03:05:47 PM Feb 2nd 2016
? Changing someone's pronouns because they prefer those is not '1984'.
01:15:25 AM Feb 3rd 2016
edited by Nithael
Don't worry about it, people who've never read 1984 love to namedrop it whenever there's a change they disagree with. See also literally everytime something has been changed or deleted on this website.
01:35:43 AM Feb 23rd 2016
You should probably use past tense, too, given that he's no longer doing the whole video thing.
04:23:46 PM Oct 27th 2014
So, JO has retired...

Maybe this should get added to the page?
09:30:05 PM Oct 31st 2014
Here's something I know we should add:

  • Wham Line: From the ending to her "Top Ten Space Dandy Episodes":
    "And I hope you all enjoyed this video...because you just saw my last one."
01:11:34 PM Dec 8th 2013
I'd like to fix the Menstrual Menace misuse on this page, as I am trying to do some clean-up as described here.
04:08:32 PM Dec 8th 2013
08:27:17 PM Nov 11th 2013
Just to explain things to people wondering where the page went: JO herself asked for her page to be removed on her Twitter.
08:31:20 PM Nov 11th 2013
Despite JO asking for that I think removing the entire page is taking things too far - it would probably be best to trim the page down to tropes displayed in the content she produces, since her issue with the page was the amount of personal information the page contained.
08:48:11 PM Nov 11th 2013
She wants it strangled, we should let it die. Put the issue to rest until its starts up again later.
08:58:06 PM Nov 11th 2013
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Deleting the whole thing really does sound harsh, though.
08:59:09 PM Nov 11th 2013
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Let's be honest, people — if somebody clearly says (well, tweets) that she doesn't feel all that comfortable about the fact that there's a TVtropes page about her, then it's only common sense to delete the page. Let's show some respect.
09:02:32 PM Nov 11th 2013
I agree with Yuoaman on this. I don't really see where JO has the authority to ask for a full removal. Just get rid of the excessive personal information. Maybe lock the page if things get to be a bit much: I realize that she's kind of a controversial figure, and there's been a few inflammatory edits directed towards her over the past few days.
09:12:21 PM Nov 11th 2013
Actually, it is apparently against the site rules to delete a page because a creator asked for it. Carry on. We should bring the pic back, at least.
09:14:55 PM Nov 11th 2013
Not familiar enough with the formatting to bring the pic back, but I've been reverting the deletions for the past few minutes. Can someone else fix the image?
09:15:44 PM Nov 11th 2013
Might want to bring the issue to the image pickin' thread if there's a problem with the picture. There might be a better picture we can use.
09:19:22 PM Nov 11th 2013
She's not the creator, she's the person. The idea that you choose to intrude on a real live person's privacy because it's entertaining for you is a poor demonstration of empathy and human kindness.
09:25:12 PM Nov 11th 2013
That's a fair point. The problem is that the point is getting lost and the pages in their entirety are getting removed.
09:26:36 PM Nov 11th 2013
That's what we're getting at: there's a separation between JO's content and her personal life, and the page should be exclusively about her content. Gossip about her personal life and the like should not be here.
09:29:25 PM Nov 11th 2013
"I'm personally tired of having to go to a site I normally don't visit just to edit out slander that people read about me there. Therefore, my request was for the page to be deleted." Why can't the site honor this? It seems pretty reasonable to me.
09:34:02 PM Nov 11th 2013
I understand her position, it just seems unfair to fans of her work who do not write creepy shit and slander on her pages - those who just want to read about tropes present in her work and such.
09:37:24 PM Nov 11th 2013
I can see why it could be considered extreme to remove a page just because the creator of a work or the subject of said page asked for it. But I think in the case of the page(s) having a recurrent problem of becoming invasive into her private life, that it should be allowed. Both she and her SO have complained on multiple occasions about how much they dislike it and how people are treating her personal life like it is fodder to be categorized into tropes.
10:03:34 PM Nov 11th 2013
1. Site policy is that creators cannot ask for pages to be flat-out deleted. It leads to stuff like what just happened: a bunch of stupid, pointless deletions that don't fully address the problem (if there is a problem, which isn't always the case) and just make people angry.

2. Another bit of site policy is that creators need to be kept separate from their work. The problem is that rule isn't really enforced. There actually was an attempt by captainpat to clean up the YMMV page about a month ago. It got reverted. And no one really stepped in after that.
10:07:49 PM Nov 11th 2013
Alright, let's get to the official clarifications: 1. No, we don't remove pages just because the creator wishes it. 2. No, getting into creepy personal stuff on a creator's page is not allowed. That shit should be deleted. 3. The page should be entirely about the works JO has produced as a creator of media.

For the time being, all the pages will be locked to prevent further vandalism. Requests for edits can be submitted here. Please clean up anything that hasn't been cleaned up already.

Also, if it's at all reasonable, the content ought to be at a page named after the series rather than the reviewer, in order to prevent such problems in the future.
10:23:47 PM Nov 11th 2013
Question for Mod: Where does a trope like "Bare your Midriff" fit in exactly? It is in reference to things in projects she has created, yet it is about her as a person and I believe she mentioned it in passing as one of the things she found distasteful of her page.

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, I'm just curious as what that would be defined as.
10:26:42 PM Nov 11th 2013
Forgive for butting in, but that trope example in particular is referring to the forth anniversary site movie. It's an appearance trope and I know she has Creator Backlash, but she was still playing a character there.
10:31:44 PM Nov 11th 2013
As the example is currently written Bare Your Midriff is used appropriately (and without creepy content)—it's describing a deliberate costume choice for a character . . .

. . . but that example has no place on this particular page. As it's describing the character of Jesu Otaku in the movie To Boldly Flee (or, to be more precise, the character JO turns into), it belongs there. Placing it on this page is clearly attaching the trope to her as a person rather than to the work where it belongs. I'll delete it accordingly.
10:37:58 PM Nov 11th 2013
Thank you for your responses!
10:05:06 AM Nov 12th 2013
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I wouldn't call the truthfully and neutrally as it can be presented information about the messes she's caused slander, but that's just me. It was also decided to leave those examples because they pertained to things she said about works on her official twitter, and she is a critic.
01:08:15 PM Nov 12th 2013
Should we also clean-up the YMMV on Familiar Faces? A Lot seems to be about his opinions expressed off of the show.
01:14:55 PM Nov 12th 2013
Depends where it's from. If it's from posts made "in character" or an account he holds as "CR!," then it's fine. If, however, it's from something personal like a personal facebook page, then it should go.

Basically, if it's from something he did as an "internet personality" it should stay. If it's from something he did as a normal dude, it should go.
01:59:16 PM Nov 12th 2013
I agree, the Twitters and such have their reviewer names so it should stay as if it was part of the show.
07:27:12 AM Dec 14th 2013
Guys let's face it, Jesu is now a "Bitch in sheep's clothing" kind of girl now. She doesn't respect people in her property and insult people who watch different shows asides anime and also nerds (like Trekkies,bronies, e.t.c) (Go look at the fan hater page if you know what I mean). She never cares about what she done and does the troll everytime . There's also a page where she almost insult transgender people in the family guy episode. Jesu will Never do her anime review again unless she's bored as hell then upload her video like she never cares. Jesu Have change, didn't she?

12:54:41 AM Dec 23rd 2013
And your point is? We're not here to bash her, we're here to discuss her page. Take it somewhere else.
08:23:52 PM Jun 8th 2012
Can't find the Kissxsis review, where is it? Is it a video, or text based?
09:23:24 PM Nov 11th 2013
It's right here: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2010-04-01/hope . I guess you could consider these short reviews the first Anime Derby, sort of. :)
10:28:35 PM Nov 11th 2013
Wow, thanks so much.
11:58:20 AM Nov 12th 2013
You're welcome. =D
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