Discussion Series / OnceUponaTime

What "letters"? It's a bit vague for a question.

I think he means like "Tropes A-D" etc.

Randomly, basically. Trope lists are folderized when they become too long, and usually one uses letters in a way they see fit.

So, there's no consistency from series to series? what happens when one subpage is too big and another is too small? create new pages with new letters, and delete the old pages with old letters?

Yes, but that doesn't happen too frequently.

Ah, ok. Thank you for the explaination.

You didn't do anything wrong, it's just that folders can only hold so much text and these have been pushed over the limit. To fix it, break the page up into several subpages.

Put that under YMMV if you feel that way.

DethroningMoment.Live Action TV already exists — you can go there.

Hm. Having not watched the series, is this◊ the kind of thing you mean? I'm a spinner myself, and yeah, that wouldn't work at all. Whilst some wheels, usually older ones, are hand-powered like that, the yarn doesn't wind onto the spool, he isn't drafting the fiber in his hand (see this◊ image), and the driveband doesn't go around the circumference of the main wheel.

Well, how many average TV viewers are intimately familiar with how a spinning wheel works? It really only needs to look convincing enough to fool the average person.

Wooo boy (or girl/non-gender-person/hermaphrodite), you are so not alone. Every time I see him at that beautiful, gorgeous spinning wheel making no use whatsoever out of it I wince. That Beauty&theBeast episode where Belle asks him why he spins so much? I always have to bite my tongue to keep from snarking "Because I hope I'll figure it out one day". Which wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the fact that Robert Carlyle is awesome enough to have learned to drive a bus for some other movie, so why not figure out a spinning wheel? Maybe the producers did some research later on, because they added a spindle (not needle!) that actually fits in with older model spinning wheels _and_ allows David to prick his finger. The pedal - that was actually a nice touch for me. The first spinning wheels where hand-driven and were around in medieval times, and with Rumplestiltskin's village and clothing being rather more medievalesque than anything else, that fits fine. I agree with Telcontar on the yarn and the driveband and the fact that Carlyle is simply feeding yarn through the wheel. I can get the "only fool the average viewer" thing, but still: it produces a lot of people that way who are unaware that their "knowledge" of a spinning wheel (medieval village, historic / exotic object, ...) is dead wrong. Not much of a problem on a single object, but bloody annoying when it concerns an entire period / culture.

Well I am not a spinner (but I have seen spinning at craft fairs and such)and consider myself an average viewer and what Rumpelstiltskin/Gold does with that wheel is in no way convincing. And I am surprised because Robert Carlyle the actor is known for being very attentive to those kinds of details.

To be fair some of the fandom's guesses were really stupid ones that don't have any inlogic behind them, like August being Henry's father despite the fact that Emma acts like she never met him before in her life. Or August being Henry's future self despite the fact that they have different eye color and that the show never even so much as implied time-travelling possibilities. Rational people are obviously glad August turned out to be none of those things. It doesn't matter if the show looked like it was saying to the fandom that they were stupid, cuz the fandom did look like they were asking for it. And now that August has an official fairytale counterpart, future guesses of who August might be have been prevented from ever happening. Like how people quited doing "guess drawings" of Ariel's mom until the TLM 3 came along and gave Ariel's mom an official look and a name.

When something is made official, all future guesses and possibilities are neutralized.

WMG is supposed to be where sanity takes a tea break. It is very rude to delete the guesses of other people. We may need a "Jossed" or "Confirmed" sub-page.

Though now that we know that Neal is Baelfire, the actor still looks absolutely nothing like the kid.

Might not be a bad idea to have a subsection for resolved theories, if just to keep down the edit warring.

Yeah, I'll agree with that; it'd be simpler to have a resolved theory folder, instead of just deleting the "Jossed" or "Confirmed" was. Good idea.

No one ever got around to doing this? I agree it was a very good idea but I'm not 100% sure how to implement.

I personally think it's more of a Stealth Pun.

I'd agree that it's a shoutout. Emma herself is not a character in Pinocchio. In fact I'd call all the Disney refs shoutouts—they are technically another media.

I'm getting the impression the show doesn't really draw the line. Emma as the hero, no problem. But Gold, Hook, Regina - they are all unclear. Dark One/Rumpelstiltskin most of all, between janking his wife's heart out (and, even earlier, killing a maid in his house for what she _might_ have overheard) and doing stuff that makes him very likable to the viewers. Regina - definitely bad guy, but you can't help feeling sorry for her when she saves Henry and he marches of with new Mom and her band of friends.

I think that the way characters and plot are written doesn't aim at making it clear what the are, but at keeping up the suspense, both about what's going to happen and whether or not that Regina / Hook / Gold will turn out good or bad, villain or hero. Which works bloody great, because that way you never know which way they'll go. And I would not be surprised if even in the end, those three won't fit into clean slots. Or if audience reactions determine who gets a Disney Death and who joins the "Happily Ever After" party.

Of course you think it's fine because it's your site. Nice attempt to discredit me by labeling me as "new". How do you know that? Anyway, what you failed to mention is that you were the one who re-added the link after I took it out.

Your Abridged Series is not an official part of the show and has no business being listed on the show's page with tropes that actually stem from the show itself. Stop trying to justify your spam. Your site is fandom plain and simple. If every fandom site out there invaded this site and tried to post links it would be chaotic.

I was trying to keep the discussion neutral by not mentioning your name either. I can tell that you are new because you have a bright red "new account" tag by all your edits on this list. Also, I can check how many edits you've made and what they are with this tool. Anyway.

I have never watched Once Upon a Time or the Abridged version of it. I have never visited that site except to check the link worked. The link was added by a different troper on the 21st of February (to check that, click "show all history" and then, using CTR+F, search for "abridgedseries". Find the earlieset occurance of the phrase. To check the edit history of that troper, replace "Llola" in the tool I showed above with their handle).

I agree with you that The Abridged Series is not an official part of the show. However, as I said above, it is a trope. We catalogue tropes, we list them on the work pages, and when it's relevant, we provide an external link to show something. For example, we list that an Abridged Series was made for Once Upon a Time and then link to where it can be found.

Stop lying. That is your website. I wish I had taken screenshots of you boasting about adding your site here on another website that just so happens to be a Once Upon a Time site. "I have never watched Once Upon A Time" oh, please, stop deluding yourself.

PS - New username doesn't mean "new".

So what if it is her website? The link fits.

I brought this up in Ask The Tropers, and was advised to put the link back but in the Trivia/ namespace. That namespace is for many of the things in a work which aren't tropes, so putting The Abridged Series in there should be fine with you because according to you, The Abridged Series isn't a trope. Things like Hey Its That Voice go in there too, and that's about things only linked to a work by having the same (voice-) actor. Since Fast Eddie himself said the link fits, nobody can complain about it being a spam one or whatever, or that it doesn't belong here.

Therefore, I will put the line in the Trivia tab tomorrow, to give you time to see this.

Eddie, I thought policy is that Abridged Series doesn't belong on a trope list for a work that's being abridged, it belongs in fan fic recs since it's not a part of the work itself.

Surely it would count as Trivia to say that it exists, since it isn't part of the work or whatever, and Fanfic Recs if someone was actively saying it was good. I could be misunderstanding trivia, though. If it does belong in Fanfic Recs, I'll open up a thread somewhere to ask someone to reccommend it – I can't, since I've never watched it.

Edit: Following this (slightly old) thread and I am listing the Abridged version on the Trivia tab; it's not on Fanfic Recs because I'm not reccommending it. Following the xkcd Trivia page, I'm giving the page headers for "listed trivia", of the type that's normally on there, and "miscellaneous trivia", for this and other stuff. Please don't remove it without better reasoning explained here.

You are writing your own concept of the story. It's fan fiction plain and simple. It has nothing at all to do with the show except you're using the show's characters in your work. It doesn't belong on the show's list of tropes or trivia section. How is it remotely trivia? You have a link on the Abridged Series page already. This belongs in the fan fic section.

I'll allow time for a rebuttal on why it's trivia before I remove it. Copying someone else is not a reason.

To me it seems like a piece of trivia about the show, but since you're adamant, I'll remove it. I'm opening a thread here to ask if anyone wants to do a rec for it; if not, then it won't end up on that page or any other directly related to Once Upon a Time. Is that fair?

Actually Llola, it's not Telcontar's series, it's mine. And really it doesn't seem like you have a reason to take the link down (Because even the mods said it was acceptable) other than your odd agenda against me.

...Hoooooooooly dear God, this got messy and personal FAST.

To: Telcontar if you have never watched Once Upon A Time then you have no business moderating this page or telling people what to do or providing links. Unless you have watched the show you need to get off this page.

Work and trope pages on this wiki are open to anyone for editing, regardless of familiarity with the work; otherwise, things like Trope Repair Shop cleanups would never get done, as they often require looking at entries on pages for unfamiliar works.

I don't moderate this page (especially as I'm not a moderator!); I just glance at it from time to time, since I am interested in watching the series at some point.

Yes, I wish for recaps too. English is only my secondary language, so all I can provide is a trope or two sometimes but I love this show and come here after every episode to search for the new entries, which gets harder and harder.

Go through all the wicks for this. Incidentally, I feel that this is a Stock Phrase.

As of the episode "Dreamy", I think it's fair to say that Emma doesn't need to exaggerate Regina's bad qualities. Regina does that all by herself.

Well, imagine the situation: The kid you gave up to adoption ten years ago suddenly shows up saying that his mom doesn't love him. It's pretty bad, he's just a kid and doesn't feel loved at all. God knows what Emma imagined Regina was doing to this kid.

"Regina isn't as evil as the show makes her out to be"? Sorry—can't hear you over the sound of Graham's body hitting the floor. Of course, I'm being a little flippant, (sorry, couldn't resist; it tends to irk me when people gloss over Graham), and Emma wouldn't know that Regina raped and murdered him, but—yeah, the woman is pretty evil. As in, while we do hear a lot of Henry insisting that she's evil, she has a whole list of unpleasant, life-ruining deeds to back it up.

Emma cares about Henry, but she does concede (even up to episode 21) that he's "Regina's son" and she never says that she has a right to him because she's his bio-mom. She sticks around because Obviously Evil Regina threatens her twice in twenty-four hours and gives off some seriously creepy vibes.

To make a subpage, you go the URL, then you replace the namespace of a work with the namespace of said subpage. For example here, you replace Series/ with Trivia/, but a Trivia page for the series is already made.

I'll be amazed if it doesn't turn out that Regina is a Self-Made Orphan after dishing out some payback to Mom.

Thoroughly agree. Magical power also has been shown to pass via murder - heh - so who knows?

Hey how do I Pothole a Trope in discussion?

Exactly the same way as anywhere else: [[InsertTropeHere pothole text to display]].

Actually, I'd say Latin does win because it's the base/root language from whence grew all the Romance Languages.

It wasn't an error in the colloquially accepted sense, but if I'd thought of it first, I'd probably have made the same correction/clarification.

Thanks for teaching me something I already knew. So by that argument, why don't we get rid of all the Gratuitous Foreign Language tropes for Romance languages and put them under "Gratuitous Latin?" It's all the same, right?

It doesn't matter. There was no error, so it didn't need to be changed.

I think people appreciate having the original language cited. It's not a big deal, no need to get upset. I'm sure you can acknowledge that historically Latin has a little more weight in myth and legend than Italian. That's all.

We don't know for sure, but I would guess that given the nature of the show, the fact that she originates from a magical land, and the ability is reliable enough for her to refer to it as a "super power", I'd go with yes for now.

Yeah, but my vague memory is that she only called it a "superpower" while screwing with Henry long before she believed in anything supernatural at all...

I agree, she did only call it a superpower while talking to Henry, but that's a term that'd make sense to a child.

Still, I'd say Tableau's point stands. It's still reliable enough that she'd pick that term to simplify it for a kid. So I'm inclined to think that the living lie detector trope is fair to use unless the show gives us proof that it's not some kind of gift. (I'm inclined to think it is because she knew Regina was lying after being asked "do you love him" about Henry).

Edit: You know what, I'm just going to make a small edit that takes care of my problem.

Create one.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/OnceUponATime