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"This became more of a problem after progressive TV displays became the norm for Western homes"

Should this be changed to "This became more of a problem after progressive TV displays became the norm for *North American* homes"

To my knowledge, here in Australia as well as in the UK, Europe and other "Western Countries", our display were always progressive scan. Of course, I could be wrong, hence why I post in discussion instead of just making the change.

My main evidence is that my PAL DV Ds have no interlacing and my NTSC ones have interlacing. This could be a digital-only thing.

• Overdrawn at the Memory Bank is all on video except for a sequence using footage from a nature documentary, as lampshaded by Mystery Science Theater 3000.
  Fingal: I've been doppled! Crow: And I'm on film suddenly!
• Robotech: The Movie had a strange variation of this. The entire movie was film-based, but because it spliced in footage of two anime series, Megazone 23 and Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, it was a messy mix of both 35mm and 16mm (blown up) depending on the scene. Megazone was originally an OVA and was animated on 35mm while Southern Cross was a less expensive TV anime animated onto 16mm, having a much grainier appearance as a result.
• Easily the most distracting thing about Fuller House is when they use stock footage from its parent series, Full House. In the opening, when they reuse shots from the original opening of the original show for the women, it's painfully clear what was originally shot on film and what the shots are that are upconverted from the videotape masters the rest of the show was shot on as seen here. Then there's the episode where they fill in the gaps of after Steve took DJ to their prom where they reuse the footage from that episode, then cut out the two of them when they kiss & put them against a high school wall to show them doing the same at their school. It really doesn't hold up to today's HD standards that well when you have something shot on video tape at 4:3 with a haze put around it that's then upconverted, then poorly put into a fame where the actors, shot in HD, at their current ages when filming are then green-screened into the same frame as that image. It's really jarring to watch.
• The X-Files was shot almost entirely on 35mm film but many of the visual effects and stock footage only exist in SD on the videotape masters. When the show was remastered for its Blu-ray debut, the film could be scanned in HD but the videotape elements had to be upscaled, creating some very obvious shifts in quality which were not noticeable previously.
• Many US sitcoms from the 70s-90s were shot on videotape, but their opening sequences were shot on film, including Roseanne, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, and the above-mentioned Full House.
• Steve Jobs was shot in three different formats: 16mm film for the first third (which took place in 1984), 35mm film for the second third (which took place in 1988), and digital video for the last third (which took place in 1998).

Moved these examples out of the trope list because I feel they're drifting too far off the point; the trope is "video inside, film outside" not "different film stocks because different sources", "video only for the special effects", "film only for the title sequence", or "different film stocks for different time periods".

• The Larry Sanders Show mostly takes place "behind the scenes" of the fictitious talk show and is shot on film. Excerpts from the talk show itself are shot on video for authenticity.
• One or two later episodes of Cheers include brief insert shots of TV sports footage on video.
• This gimmick - of inserting videotaped footage into filmed productions, generally to denote TV broadcasts - was used quite a lot in the 1980s and 1990s, with shows such as Max Headroom using it regularly.
• The Thick of It is usually shot on film with Jitter Cam. The final episode, however, is all shot on video from several fixed camera angles, as it is presented as footage from a live-broadcast political enquiry - abbreviated with awful Windows Movie Maker-esque scene transitions, as if the viewer was watching edited highlights on You Tube.

Moved these examples out of the trope list because "inserting videotaped footage into filmed productions to denote TV broadcasts" is a different trope from Video Inside, Film Outside.

Is it a trope we have already? If not, I think there are enough examples here to propose it on YKTTW.