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03:25:20 PM Oct 27th 2017
Bile clean-up of sub-pages.

I've been popping in and out of the Narm pages for a couple of years, and have become increasingly irritated with the level of complaining present. A lot of tropers largely seem to be just using the Narm pages as a platform for complaining about things that don't fit neatly into Dethroning Moment of Suck. For a set of pages that should theoretically involve poking fun at unintentionally funny moments in works, the examples themselves are often remarkably bitter and nitpicky—I know that Narm falls under the Bad Writing Index, but we should try to have at least some humour, even if the writers of the offending shows did not.

This is why I think there needs to be a clean-up of the Narm pages, removing all the complaining and shoehorned examples. I also think that we should ask a moderator to unlock the page with the DarthWiki.Narm namespace and remove the redirect to the Main.Narm page, then delete the former page entirely. This is because I feel that the presence of the sub-pages in the Darth Wiki is subconsciously making tropers believe that they have more freedom to complain than they do in other examples of YMMV tropes.

12:41:58 PM Aug 4th 2017
Existing name for the described phenomena.

Some languages have a real word for this, so maybe it is better to borrow one of those - like have been done with "schadenfreude", "angst", "poltergeist", In Swedish, this is called "Pekoral".
03:44:03 PM Jul 14th 2016
So this went back to being YMMV rather than Flame Bait, huh?
07:42:24 PM Jun 21st 2015
Is there a Narm page for Fan Made Videos?
07:59:39 AM Sep 24th 2016
I don't think so. That's a textbook example of why this trope was flamebait at one point.
06:04:25 PM Dec 19th 2014
The main page says you can list it on YMMV tabs, but the subpages (like Harry Potter) have the "There are subjectives, and then there are these" flame thingy (like Dethroning Moment of Suck has). In my opinion, this makes it confusing as to where you can list examples of Narm.
01:55:27 AM Dec 20th 2014
That is something that needs a techfix. You ought to post about it in the Wiki Tech Wish List.
04:14:51 PM Dec 17th 2013
I realize that it isn't conventional to mark spoilers in the intro of a trope page, but this one is a pretty huge spoiler and I think it's a little messed up that we have it out there, without warning, completely unmarked.

A friend of mine that I'm watching SFU with visited this page (not for SFU-related things) and was subsequently spoiled! That's not any fun, so something should really be done here.

I have two suggestions as to how this could be done.

1) Tag the spoilers, convention be damned. 2) Take away the written explanation. Just link to the video and put a spoiler warning around the link.

Any other suggestions? I'd like to fix it, because SFU is a wonderful show and not everyone has watched it or been spoiled on it!
04:28:13 PM Dec 17th 2013
You know, I agree. There's no reason for such a spoiler. I don't see any reason why it has to say "main character Nate" when it could just say "a major character."

Bam, no real spoilers.
07:13:48 AM Oct 15th 2013
Is there a reason the "Note: This is for unintentional moments only. If it's intended to be funny, it's not Narm" is commented out? This is a mistake that many many people make, and I think it would be important to uncomment that note so that people will see it.
02:52:16 PM Mar 22nd 2013
edited by Gravityman
Shouldn't adding a bunch of references to riff and parody blogs and the like be avoided? The Twilight films section has four references potholed to RiffTrax, when even one can be argued to be something of a shameless plug.
03:17:20 PM Dec 3rd 2012
The TV News subpage should be renamed simply "News" as there are so many print and internet news examples. Any objections?
12:30:33 AM Jul 6th 2012
Why were the Real Life examples removed? Some of those were pretty funny.
05:15:39 PM Oct 24th 2016
Because of actual or feared flamebait, probably. Why else are RL sections removed?
03:47:13 PM Nov 3rd 2011
Why are the subpages still in the Darth Wiki?
07:33:49 PM Dec 21st 2011
We'll find out shortly. I notice a Darth Wiki front page is in progress — still blank, but I wouldn't be surprised if the content shifts.
12:26:11 PM Oct 7th 2011
Is there a kind of middle ground for this trope? Like something that's unintentionally funny but not because of bad acting etc? Like a lighter form of this. For example in The Sixth Sense when Cole tells his mom grandma says hi and the face she makes is hilarious but I wouldn't call that Narm
10:20:58 PM Oct 6th 2011
Can we have ALL Advertisements automaticly be this trope. Asking people to buy your product/service is like asking a Fire to have sex with you. You show it your butt and ya get burned (Just for Pun).
06:21:28 PM Oct 27th 2012
What? That makes no sense! The point of advertisement is to persuade people to buy the product their advertising. That's how people get to know about the product and buy it. If advertisements didn't ask people to buy their products, there would be no purpose in buying advertisements. So to answer your question, no we shouldn't put every single advertisement on the Narm page.
11:08:57 PM Nov 1st 2010
edited by Kanten
Blah. Delete.
10:21:12 PM Oct 6th 2011
Delete what?
04:01:00 AM Oct 3rd 2010
I might be missing something here, but why exactly do we need TWO banners telling us not to post this as a trope on works pages?
02:20:58 PM Sep 28th 2010
I see that the subpages of the Narm index have turned black. Presumably, the only thing keeping the main page white is the lock on it...

For the record, why does it look like this was moved to the Darth Wiki?
06:18:48 PM Oct 2nd 2010
Because apparently TV Tropes is supposed to be objective at all times now?
08:30:13 PM Oct 2nd 2010
Because we are moving the natter magnets out of the works pages. Narm is always negative, so it gets a black background.
10:13:59 AM Oct 12th 2010
... No offense, man, but Darth Wiki has always seemed like overkill. When I was a newbie, stumbling upon those pages always threw me off.

10:04:02 PM Jan 26th 2011
Since when has Narm always been negative? A lot of Narm is charming in a very cheesy way.
10:04:10 AM Sep 26th 2010
I don't really know how to do this, but I feel there should be a Statler and Waldorf quote at the end, but I cannot put it there since the page is locked. If the dude responsible would put it there, I'd be most pleased. It would go like this: S: "That was hilarious!" W: "Yeah, it was really funny." S: "DO you think they meant it to be?"

Thanking you in advance, T.Roper
08:34:16 PM Aug 20th 2010
We now have extra pages on the Narm index, Narm/DeathNote and another one for an anime, which cannot be added to the main page because it is locked. Would someone with authority please add it?
12:51:54 AM Aug 21st 2010
Just add them to the media sub-page. For example, Narm.Death Note shows up on the Narm.Anime index.
02:23:41 PM Jun 30th 2010
What would be the opposite of Narm, where something that was originally meant to be silly is taken seriously?

I don't mean Narm Charm; that's more like where something was meant to be serious, looks silly on paper, but ends up being effective anyway.
02:05:28 AM Jul 4th 2010
edited by
Mostly Narmless.

EDIT: I'm sorry, disregard that. It seems I misread your comment.
08:32:35 PM Aug 20th 2010
11:31:18 PM Jun 1st 2010
Another Narm example - Evangelion 2.2 - Tsubasa wo Kudasai causes Narm effect in EVA 01 VS EVA 03 and EVA 01 Aweking scenes.
11:34:43 PM Jun 1st 2010
also, Claymore.
08:59:00 PM Oct 4th 2010
That's not Narm. Tell me that it was Narm when 03 got torn apart when Asuka was inside it. That's not funny. it is for a few seconds before, but no it's not Narm, it's horrifying. It should remind you of The End of Evangelion. It's full blown Soundtrack Dissonence, especially during the aborted 3rd Impact.
05:50:10 AM May 2nd 2010
Should we add "Inappropriate usage of Stock Sound Effects" into the examples which are likely to produce NARM?
10:07:38 AM Oct 12th 2010
Like that one infamous slide-whistle car jump in that one Bond movie. Definitely.
10:09:12 PM Apr 18th 2010
Just a little thing: The page quote says that Kevin Murphy said that line in the Rifftrax, but it was Mike Nelson who said it. I would have just changed it and not wasted Discussion space, but the page is locked. Can some allowed to edit it change the quote attribution, or unlock it so I can?
09:39:30 AM Apr 28th 2010
How about just taking the line off all together? Not everyone agrees that the makeup was bad, after all.
01:33:12 PM Mar 28th 2010
The page image. I feel we need one, but we need to find one that people can agree on so there's no more editing wars.

I'm a fan of the High School Musical "Bet On It" image that had been gracing the page for the longest time, but hey, if someone can suggest a better one, that's great. I personally think it fits very well, because you can tell that the scene pictured is supposed to be serious, but comes out hilarious.
04:49:09 PM Mar 28th 2010
This is what the Image Pickin' forum is all about.
02:50:26 PM Apr 1st 2010
Ah, well, that makes sense! I don't go on the forums, so that would explain why I didn't know about that.
06:19:22 PM Mar 13th 2010
edited by ohmynoti
I sort of feel like this is a trope wrongly named. Yes, the sounds coming out of Nate's mouth when he's having the aneurysm are funny. But is that unintentional? Six Feet Under is all about how wobbly the line is between stuff that's hilarious and stuff that's terrifying. That's what makes the show do what it does for those of us that like what it does to us. Consider the moment of Nate's actual death — the drive to the ocean with Bizarro-David in the back of the van? Hilarious. Then David wakes up and his brother is gone. Terrifying.

The trope described in this article definitely exists, but I don't think the Narm moment is an example of it, because I'm pretty sure the people who brought us that moment knew a lot of us were going to laugh at it. And then feel horrible. Just like they meant us to.

Compare with Real Life.
01:33:48 PM Mar 28th 2010
Perhaps we should just name the trope "Bathos," after what its more common, non-troper name is? We could still have "Narm" redirect to the page, of course.
10:23:03 AM May 19th 2010
"Narm" is really too far ingrained into troper slang to change now. Half the pages on the wiki contain at least one "narm", or "narmy" or such. I'm pretty sure I once came across "narmtastic"
10:06:42 AM Oct 12th 2010
I'll see your "Narmtastic" and raise you at least one "Narmilicious".
07:07:15 AM Oct 29th 2011
""Narm" is really too far ingrained into troper slang to change now."

That is no excuse, so was "nakama" heavily ingrained in to troper slang, and the reasons to change it was that is unintelligible for non-tropers. Narm really doesn't describe the trope in any meaningful way, I'd put it up for a name change if i knew how.
07:57:23 PM Jan 14th 2012
I really don't see any reason to rename tropes to be more intelligible for tropers - once you get to the page it becomes obvious. We aren't just naming things and not explaining them for people.
03:05:32 PM Apr 4th 2012
I'd be in favour of changing it, try explaining why it's called 'narm' to anyone not on TV Tropes.
05:17:29 PM Apr 4th 2012
Take it to the TRS
06:24:35 AM Mar 7th 2014
I'm in favour of changing it, for reasons explained above, and also because at some point, probably once Six Feet Under is out of the main public's memory(if it's not already), it's gonna seem really dated(if it's not already).
06:29:07 AM Mar 7th 2014
Over 4,000 wicks, over 16,000 inbounds. It's not changing.

And honestly, I've never seen Six Feet Under and it works for me. It... feels silly. That's enough for me.
06:32:22 AM Mar 7th 2014
People want to change narm?

Geez, I swear people want to take all the fun and unique stuff out of the site.
03:11:10 PM Apr 29th 2015
edited by Starshock
I like Narm. Changing it will take away from TVT's unique flavor. We have quirky slang. *Goes into Chicago mobster accent* Git ussta it.
12:16:58 AM Apr 30th 2015
Narm has not changed over the past few years.
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