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NNinja
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10:19:53 PM Oct 29th 2016
edited by NNinja
  • Yuna from Final Fantasy X. She apologizes or is sorry for everything that happens (including being kidnapped and other things that she couldn't prevent or wasn't even concerned in) and triggers a major plot element by accepting Seymour's proposition to marry him despite being fully aware that he is planning to eliminate the council of Yevon because they Guados mocked him for being a Half-Human Hybrid. Oh, and even after he DIES and comes back as a ghost, she still wants to marry him so she can send him to the Farplane. Justified by her habit to try to do everything by herself without warning so nobody else will be hurt, even if she doesn't seem to realise that her Guardians have to rescue her if her plan fails. And the sole reason she became a Summoner in the first place? Because her father was one and killed Sin via the ritual Heroic Sacrifice, thus giving a few years of peace to Spira, so she has to do the same. The majority of Yuna's Character Development in the game is outgrowing this. The turning point being the moment she confronts Yunalesca and resolves to find a way to end Sin permanently.
    • In Final Fantasy X-2, Shinra refers to Yuna as "hero, Summoner, doormat" after she accidentally agrees to help someone.
Yeah, no. Example uses Seymor plot as a reason why she's here when that very plot clearly shows that she's not. She didn't want to actually marry him despite his crimes, she intended all along to give him one-way ticket to the Farplane, only pretending to be compliant to get close to him, being something of a heroic example of Love-Interest Traitor. The entry itself points out the she wanted a shot at sending him when she was marrying his ghost. As for her being a guardian she did this because she wanted to help people, not because of peer pressure. When the blonde guy give her team What The Hell Hero Speech after he learns how her pilgrimage will end Lulu's response is:"You think we didn't try to stop her?", meaning she DID oppose their opinion, even before the game started, clearly disqualifying her.
Craver357
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06:28:52 PM Aug 3rd 2012
Can an Extreme Doormat count as a Jerkass Woobie?
PPPSSC
11:04:44 PM Nov 3rd 2012
I fail to see how an Extreme Doormat could be a Jerkass at all.
Camacan
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05:04:42 AM Dec 3rd 2011
edited by Camacan
This reads like review-style commentary rather than a pair of example works. Needs to be re-written as two examples with the works de-potholed and in italics, with separated details of how the trope is used in the story. Saying they are examples of another trope again doesn't really substitute for specifics, particularly when the reader isn't assumed to necessarily have read the work. Please see How to Write an Example for more.

Jarkill
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05:21:44 AM Apr 19th 2010
edited by Jarkill
Nevermind.
Camacan
05:01:40 AM Dec 3rd 2011
Okay then.
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