Discussion Characters / RedVsBlue

I think it's more of a matter of if we get more information on them, not when. If we learn more about them as characters, then we can add them. The reason we have the Others section on the Freelancer page is to say "We barely know anything about these characters, but they exist." We did get a bit of information on Illinois, but I don't know if it's enough to justify giving him his own section.

I've been thinking the exact same thing. There are definitely Tropes that apply to all of them, and it would be better for Doc to be there than the UNSC section. I'd say go for it. Make a Simulation Troopers page for the Reds and Blues that weren't part of Blood Gulch.

I dunno, I think maybe it might be best to leave spoilers for Season 13 (barring the first episode which is kinda hard to avoid) marked until Season 14 airs, and we can always change this if things end up getting too complicated (so far, not many spoiler tags have really been necessary anyway).

Agreed. I've never seen "it's available multiple places, therefore Spoilers Off" before. We don't do it when episodes go up on Hulu, for example. And since the episodes are so short, plenty of people don't keep up and just catch up at the end of the season..

^ I've seen it on several anime character pages. When the free subbed version on Crunchyroll is out, then the spoilers on those character pages are unmarked. Besides, it's hard to view the episodes on the Rooster Teeth website since there are usually so many adds that it causes a lag.

Still doesn't make much sense to me. More work for editors for a worse experience for readers.

I'll change it back then.

I'm contemplating which page I should put Flowers/Florida on. Should he be on the Blue Team page or the Project Freelancer page? Wikipedia has him in the Project Freelancer section, but their sorting is kind of wonky, so I'm not sure.

He was a freelancer before he was a Blue. He was put on the Blue team specifically to guard the Alpha. I say put him in the freelancer section.

Hrm.

I hesitate to merge Flowers and Florida's sheets, as the "spoiler to clarification" ratio is less than ideal; merging them spoils a lot, but it doesn't clarify much considering the "Mysterious Blue Guy" persona and "Captain Butch Flowers" would have next to no overlap in tropes.

As for Church... sounds good. Honestly, the Church entry is such an absolute clusterbomb that I'd be pretty much open to any fix.

Although, now that I think about it... what about giving Church his own page? There's definite value in keeping his personae together, and then being able to simply link his page from each of the places you mentioned he should have entries might be the more elegant solution. Thoughts?

I'll think about giving Church his own page as that could work, though then again, that would mean we might also have to put the Director on there since he's a Church (well, the first chronologically), and that would be kind of strange.

On Captain Flowers and Agent Florida, I know there isn't any overlap in there tropes, but they are the literally same person. The two entries were split for spoiler reasons anyway, but all of the spoiler tags have been lifted now. Though if you don't want to do that, that's fine with me.

The reason I want to merge the Flowers and Florida sheets and not the sheets of Church and the Alpha are because Church and the Alpha are different in a way (especially in personality). The Alpha is a god-like AI who's mind is based off of the Director while Church is a soldier hunting after his ex girlfriend and is unable to shoot correctly and is hardly god-like. The Alpha's Mind Rape turned him into a different person. Flowers and Florida, on the other hand, are completely the same. The only difference is that one is the Captain of the Blue Team and the other is a Freelancer. They are both Badass soldiers who are pretty friendly. Only occupation is what separates them, unlike Church and the Alpha, who are separated by personality and memories.

That will cause spoilers. Charon Industries is way to spoilery to give their own page. Even the Federation and the Republic are still spoilery since they give away the big reveal in Season 11. Adding a page for Charon Industries would make things way worse, as the reveal of their ties to the Insurrection would spoil a ton.

I don't think it's necessarily too spoiler-y since before 12.19, "Charon Industries" is effectively meaningless. The name itself isn't a spoiler since its ties to earlier factions and characters aren't so much hidden as just not really relevant, out-of-universe.

But I do agree that it's an unnecessary move.

Actually, with the recent spoiler tag do-away, now I think we could make the page. I'm also thinking of merging the New Republic's and Fed's pages together as a "Chorus" page since they have teamed up as of now.

I don't see the big deal, honestly... anyone bothered by spoiler tags can just turn them off in their profiles.

I do think we should check to see if any entries need to be cleaned up and rewritten to be up-to-date with current seasons (though I want to say Gregzilla's already been doing that judging from the histories), but IMHO spoiler tags aren't a big deal.

I say leave it spoiler-tagged. We've got so many Walking Spoiler characters and everything at this point that we might as well.

Especially since we have SO many posthumous characters, too. People are very likely to pop onto a a character's profile thinking that they're gone but... they're not.

Might want to think about it again. Eagal's gotten to the pages and rid all spoiler tags above the description, which means friggin everything is revealed. Spoiler Policy is making me question why we have spoiler tags on this site to begin with.

To hide spoilers. Lots of folks don't want to be spoilered.

I agree with Satoshi Bakura. I think at this point it might be good to just get rid of all remaining spoiler tags and leave a big "All spoilers will be unmarked ahead" on the main page, considering they all almost literally hide something that was revealed un-spoilered just a few paragraphs ago.

Good. When next season comes, we'll start fresh with the spoiler business. All spoilers will be unmarked until then, and when Season 13 is released, spoilers will only be marked if the episodes haven't been put on You Tube.

Honestly, the only way to resolve the Yellow Church thing to me is to assume that what happened with Yellow Church was that when he was ejected from Caboose's skull, the copy of Gamma in Wyoming's helmet automatically put him into a hellish situation.

Back during BGC, Yellow Church didn't make sense (how did he have a body? Why did the Church that fixed things say that he had done what the Yellow Church had done even if he hadn't yet?), and the fact that Gamma's specialty was tricking Church into torturing himself by making him think that he's killed his friends, it fits way too well.

This is, technically, a WMG so I am going to post it as such.

Uh. Not sure. I think only the Insurrectionist Leader might qualify, though I guess it depends on how high the spoiler threshold is, as you could maybe make a case for Church, too.

Yeah, I'd say Church should definitely qualify.

More of a Lightning Bruiser, though he does have SOME shades of Mighty Glaicer by Freelancer standards.

The Meta is a Lightning Bruiser. Season 9/10 Agent Maine is (compared to his fellow Freelancers) a Mighty Glacier.

Vic's good where he is, I think. Moving him to the AI or Freelancer would be a huge spoiler for the first five seasons.

As for Freelancers... I support the idea of changing the name of the section to "Project Freelancer" and adding the Director and Counselor. It can't remain "Freelancers" if we add them, as they're not Freelancers (though 479er isn't either, and technically we don't know about MBG. Those two really should be wherever the Director and Counselor are).

Got it, I moved the people around as you specified (except Vic).

Should we get an Artificial Intelligence listing for F.I.L.S.S. (the one at Freelancer Command, not Sheila), too?

I personally think only Pillman needs one, but I guess the girl and the bandolier have enough tropes that they could stand to get their own.

As for S7 CT... I think they should be put in spoilers in Pillman's entry, but left in CT's as well. That way it won't spoil anything for people who are still on S7. Include a spoiler tag at the top of CT's post clarifying that S7 CT is really Pillman and we're golden.

If you add more Insurrectionists, think they should be given their own folder? I do.

Agreed on giving them their own folder.

Alright, I still want to add the girl and bandoleer guy, but I can't think of a good name for the latter - female insurrectionist is what I've got for the former. Is there a consistent name he's got?

Demoman is one that I hear get thrown around a lot. He used to get called the Leader for a while, since he took charge a lot, but given recent events that's clearly no longer appropriate.

Some dialogue suggests it as well. Like how in one of the episodes she says she'd hate to have the Command guy's job. RT loves that sort of irony.

Yes.

While I disagree that the "sister" is Tex, since she was made with the Alpha the fragments wouldn't consider her a sister like they do the other fragments. But it's still a guess since Theta's words were ambiguous.

See People Sit On Chairs.

Alpha is in the episode when they're planning the heist, though, so she can't have an AI at that point—there just isn't enough time to break him down and start the implantation process. The season finale implies that she got her A.I.s just after the end of the season, anyway.

She might already have two powers, then, if she is supposed to be 'the best.'

Is it really Super-Speed or just simply enhanced Freelancer abilities? It's clearly above human ability, but she is wearing powered armor. Ditto for Maine's Super-Strength... how much is Super-Strength and how much is the fact he's a huge, very well trained guy in powered armor is ambiguous.

EDIT: Actually gave it some thought... whether it's from an armor enhancement or just enhanced Freelander abilities, it's clearly Super-Speed and Super-Strength. I'd just not say that it's their armor enhancement.

I came over here to mention Virginia. Because she's only mentioned in a song, I question whether she should be mentioned at all, or if she should be pushed to the "mentioned, but know nothing about them" entry with Nevada and Hawaii. It's like the old song about Tex where it implies her name is Beth—sure, it's a cool song, but it's not canon and ultimately was directly contradicted by the show. So I don't know that we can trust a song.

I think that's a vague inference made based on that fact that Sigma is one of the few AI fragments that's been mentioned (though only incidentally) but not explicitly accounted for, combined with the fact that "Sheila" and "Sigma" sound similar.