Discussion Characters / NarutoTheNewEra

The manga and the anime are both part/following of the same continuity. The mangaka himself has even drawn the ending of Sumires arc with the Nue along with some of the currently nameless ninja kids that also attend in the anime. The difference between the two is that one is a weekly anime and can cover more things, while the manga is a monthly series and can't cover the same amount and even had to start at a later point than the anime for when the anime catches up.

@Omega Radiance I agree with you. These 3 interviews — https://otakukart.com/animeblog/2017/06/17/boruto-reveals-kishimoto/2/, http://comicbook.com/anime/amp/2017/06/14/boruto-writer-reveals-how-closely-the-anime-works-with-naruto-cr/, and http://www.spirallingsphere.com/2017/06/ukyou-kodachi-talks-about-kishimotos-extremely-carefull-supervision-of-boruto/ — have all confirmed that Kishimoto is a supervisor to the Boruto anime, and also that the Boruto anime is Canon specifically because of Kishimoto's direct involvement. Even though Sumire (and a lot of other characters) appeared in the Boruto anime before they appeared in the Boruto manga, and by extension didn't appear in Boruto: Naruto the Movie^note Which is also explicitly canon because Kishimoto wrote the screenplay and it's a Sequel to The Last: Naruto the Movie, which is also explicitly canon because Kishimoto was the chief story supervisor (a.k.a. script supervisor, a.k.a. continuity supervisor), I think that Sumire is not a Canon Immigrant because the Boruto anime is canon, and the three interviews I provided confirm this. So I agree that Canon Immigrant should not be added to Sumire's character section.

@matruz I second this. Boruto is the sequel to Naruto, so its new characters should differentiate from its parent series' characters. Of course, the characters that were a focal point in the parent series should stay there, since they're now supporting/minor characters in this Sequel Series.

But, would there still be a link to the Boruto main character page on the Naruto main character page, and vice versa? I think there should be one, but I'd like to hear more opinions, from you and any other tropers.

Yes, I agree that the pages should be cross-referenced.

Of course all the characters of Naruto should remain in their sections of the original series; but I would still be of the idea of the Boruto character page to have its own section for characters from the previous series with the tropes that apply to them during the new era. The main reason for this is to remove potential spoilers for the epilogue and the new era as much as possible for newcomers. I already mentioned The Legend of Korra character page as an example of this since it contains its own section for characters from the previous series while standing on it's own. Another similar example of this would be the Attack on Titan character page, since because of the nature of the series some characters have different sections for their tropes that apply during different periods of the series.

Hinata called Neji her brother more than once during Naruto. Their specific blood relation isn't really significant if they considered eachother siblings despite being cousins.

In some cultures the cousins of your parents can still be considered "aunts/uncles" and their children in turn "cousins" for you (in some places they would be called something like "2nd cousins"). Add your other point of Hinata and Neji's fathers being identical twins and the terminology becomes even more compelling.

Alright, let's get one thing straight first: you're not being nice. You're raging.

Now, about the "Well Done, Son" Guy: If you have a way to word it so that the evidence we have so far supports it, then by all means, present it in the discussion page and ask if that seems ok.

Second: no-one here is prejudiced against Boruto. It's the fact that he's not a mirror image of Naruto that makes him interesting. All objections so far are made because you insist on adding entries that can't be backed up by evidence. This is a wikia, not a forum.

Hope that cleared things up a bit.

First of all, context is always needed. It is very literally a rule.

"Makes it look that way" Isn't valid. It will never be valid, ever, anywhere in this site.

We know Naruto wanted Sasuke to acknowledge him because Naruto literally told him this. There is a quote and everything.

You keep calling me biased, but we have to remove edits that aren't based on 100% irrefutable evidence. It doesn't matter if a guess is likely or even happens to be correct; this is not what these pages are for.

If you want to add "Well Done, Son" Guy to Boruto, all I ask is a quote stating outright, by either Boruto or another character referring to Boruto, that he wants Naruto's acknowledgement.

Don't tell me it's "implied". If we accepted "implications" every Naruto page would implode from all the shipping war edits. How X clearly implied he wants to fuck Y by saying this or by doing that.

Here are two more examples:

Boruto using Shock and Awe: You’d say it was obvious, because his name is “Bolt”, because his teacher is Sasuke, because the “Borutage/Voltage” thing, and I’d agree, but – we couldn't add it until we saw Boruto use a lightning attack. The Naruto wikia, like this page, only added “lightning release” when the second trailer hit.

Your own Advertised Extra edit: This is going to blow your mind, but I’d argue in favor of this edit when the Gaiden ends.

Because you first made the edit on the 8th of May, after only chapter 2 released, on the assumption Boruto wouldn’t be involved. An assumption that proved correct. But wikias don’t do assumptions.

Now, however, we’re in chapter 8. With the characters going to the bad guy’s hideout in another dimension, Boruto hasn’t appeared in the majority of the chapters. Now the edit would be based on concrete proof. Not an assumption. Do you understand the difference?

Honestly I'm right and you are wrong as fuck but instead of trying to tell something even a 6 year old can understand without any difficulties, I'll just wait a month so I can AGAIN add something you just fucking refused to accept because of your blind bias.

Must you take everything so personally? Would you stop making me into your personal super villain and just hear me out for a second?

It doesn’t matter if it is obvious to a 5-year-old; tropes based on perception have no place in these pages. It’s the very reason YMMV exists.

The best part is, if you’re talking about the Advertised Extra entry for Boruto, I’d argue 100% in your favour now. You want to know why?

Honest to God solid evidence backing this entry.

This here are previews for next week's WSJ◊ that both confirms next chapter is the last, as well as:

“＊NとBの物語は超白熱！！”

“The super climax of Naruto and Boruto's story!!”

This is what I’m talking about. This ad calls the Gaiden Naruto and Boruto’s story, when it very obviously isn’t, and being the confirmed final chapter, even if Boruto was in every panel, he’d still only have a minor role in the Gaiden as a whole. Hell, you could argue Naruto is an advertised extra too. He only has a supporting role, all things considered.

And that’s all there is to it. Was just waiting for a source like this so impossible? Was the passive-aggressive name calling really necessary?

lol, it's been advertised that way since the beginning. "B-But we don't know the rest of the gaiden yet!" When Word of God stated what it was...

ah. no need to beat a dead horse.

I've got a better link here. Scroll down to see the translated dialogue.

Remarks: 1.) I don't think it was necessary for you to post is Discussion page. 2.) I hate the fact that it'll take a few more month for the movie to get eng subs....

reply to above: 1.) I get your point, at the time i just wanted to present proof for further editing rather than petty ranting (that other topic below this one).

2.)I hear you man, it ll take around 8 months for it to be released on home-video and that's not even counting the subbing.

Well, the Korean dub always comes out sooner than the original jp version, so it's not all bad. You just turn down the audio a bit and hope the subs are good. In The Last, they made You No Take Candle look like perfectly eloquent english...

I actually did turn down the volume when i watched it. But I synced it up ala Rifftrax, with the Japanese audio from a camrip.

This trailer further proves that Boruto is a "Well Done, Son" Guy but fanboys on this site just refuses to accept cold truth.

Oh well, can't wait to turn right. AGAIN. and again.

If it proves it, then make an edit on the character page stating that instead of posting about it on the discussion page to gloat. Jesus. What are you, five years old?

Seriously, though, if you think you can justify it, then rewrite the "Well Done, Son" Guy entry. Personally, I can't think of a way to word it properly but if you can, then by all means...

Edit: I just checked the trope page. You wrote this there:

• Between this and the below example, it turns out to be a case of It Runs in the Family. Hinata & Naruto's son Boruto seems to have developed a severe case of this as well. A Momma's Boy at heart, Boruto seeks attention from Naruto for his actions and as the Hokage, Naruto can't return to favor as much as Boruto wants it to be. Enter Boruto: The Movie, his resentment comes to a head, where he declares that he'll surpass his father and asks Naruto's rival Sasuke to teach him for it.
  
  So, why don't you paste that here and correct it instead of writing "his entire character can be summed up like this"? You already had a good entry. Why not use it? Why write something vague and without context?
  
  I'll be nice and let you add it yourself.

I mean if I didn't see you in discussions page I would have believed it but you are outright making up some lame excuses here. As if you asked me to change it at first, lol. And what's so vague about it? You can put 2+2+ together, right? That trope defines Boruto's character but your fanboy bias blinded you.

Accept it: You were wrong in the way of bullying my edits.

Yes, Sarada is the main focus; other characters who seem to feature heavily are Chocho, Naruto and, in all likelihood, Sasuke.
But it's still too soon to tell. Currently, we're at chapter 3 of I-don't-know-how-many the Gaiden will have. You can't know what will happen in the following chapters.
The timeline (a few days before the academy graduation exams) is very suspicious. Maybe Boruto will find them later, maybe that's all we'll see of him until the final chapter. After all, he knows which way they went, so you can't rule out the possibility.

There's no rush to declare that Boruto is an extra, even though he's clearly not the protagonist.

Also, about Boruto's role in the movie: I really can't see him being anything below a Deuteragonist. Again, you shouldn't make any assumptions before even knowing what the movie is about.

Because it's an assumption, not a fact, YMMV, so to speak. Sarada is confirmed main character? So what? Did he also confirm Boruto would not be involved at all? How would you know he won't be involved in the future?

When the spinoff ends, if Boruto has only appeared in a minority of the chapters I'll add the entry myself. Until then, wait.

Yeaaah the main plot has become clear that even though Boruto makes an appearance again, he's not going to be playing a big part.

So I'm adding it back now, it was nice to be optimistic but alas.

Can't you wait until the Gaiden is over? Seriously, what's the rush? The page is not going anywhere...

What's the matter with you? Why can't you accept something as obvious as day? It's already chapter 6, this miniseries won't have longer than max 15. There is no way Boruto is getting focus or something comparable to Team 7 and Sarada

Here's what the trope is about:

"This is a character who is supposed to be a main character, but for whatever reason does not get developed nearly as much as his counterparts. He's on all the advertisements, he gets a witty one-liner in the trailer, but when the release date comes, he almost fades into the background. Basically, he was Demoted to Extra before the story even came out.

This character is introduced at some pivotal point (usually the beginning) and then is generally ignored for the rest of the story. Maybe he's seen for all of five minutes in a three-hour movie, or maybe he just lurks in the background while his friends do all the important stuff. Whatever the case, to qualify for this trope, a character must have been introduced in a way that implied he was going to be important, but is left out of most of the story. "

This is true and it's too late to change that.

You're missing the point, so I'm going to spell it out.

The character page lists tropes that apply to a character during the entirety of their appearance.

Something is added only if it's proven beyond all doubt. If it's later proven wrong, it's corrected or removed.

The Gaiden is not over. It might not even be in the midpoint.

Therefore, wait until it's over, when it's proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Boruto is indeed an extra.

Then you can add it, trademark it and rub it in our faces with the classic "I told you so".

It's funny because an Uchiha is once again stealing the spotlight from an Uzumaki.

Next chapter is confirmed to be final: http://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/3b2ri2/previews_for_next_weeks_wsj/

Also I'm going to be nice and let more info out before adding "Well Done, Son" Guy too. After all the page isn't going anywhere. :)

Agree, with this. We should think about locking the page once we get enough infos it should be reopened.

IGNORE THIS!

Can we just agree on Sarada's name once and for all ?

I vote with no name until we properly know it. Naruto didn't have is father's name after all, even if his parents were married.

Well, we have one or two symbols of Uchiha Clan in Sakura's house. And she calls Sakura "mum", But I guess we don't have any official source.

Fine then. To me it's obvious she's an Uchiha - because she calls Sasuke her papa and because she lives in a house with the Uchiha crest clearly visible. But if we can't agree about it, can we at least agree about not making assumptions to the other direction either? Because there's no evidence whatsoever that she's a bastard, or that Sasuke dumbed her on Sakura and never interacts with his family.

This all should be cleared out when the movie (set between 699 and 700) and part 3 (set after 700) come out. So we need to wait a few months for final clarity.

In my vision, the life of Sakura and Sarada may be very similar to the life of a sailor's wife and child.

It doesn't matter what visions we have. Sakura is living in a house that has the Uchiha crest. She is living in Sasuke's house. Their daughter is close enough to her both parents to call them mama and papa. And neither she nor Sakura look miserable. Sarada was pouting when thinking of Bolt, but smirked when thought of Sasuke. She said she and Bolt have their dads in common. Naruto is certainly being a father to Bolt and Himawari, he's just being busy with his work at the moment.

Plus, you know, Sasuke said he would go on a trip, and told Sakura to wait, because they would be together after that. So he wouldn't be gone for ever - he would come back after seeing the good in the world with his own eyes. In the epilogue we see the aftermath. He returned to Konoha and is in a relationship with Sakura who lives in his house with their daughter. That is the happy ending.

This is how I see the situation, too. But these who argue it may be otherwise make the valid point that it's much more ambiguous for Sakura and Sasuke than for the other couples, because Sasuke is not at Konoha at the moment (nor looking like being on the way to it) and there isn't interaction with the in-laws.

Good point. Lee's Disciple might be a better term until we know more.