• 4 Jan 26th, 2012 at 6:06PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 07:54:33 PM
    I want to add a YKTTW called "With The Lemons". Where a character says they are going to do action X with object Y, where object Y is totally nonsensical in relation to action X. Trope Namer is obviously Portal 2, where Cave Johnson says, "I'm the man who's going to burn your house down! WITH THE LEMONS!" Another example is in How to Train Your Dragon, where Snotlout says, "I'll chop off the legs of every dragon I fight! With my FACE!"

    The YKTTW Edit Tip said to ask here if it exists already. So I am. Does this trope already have a page or a YKTTW as far as anyone knows? (Because if it does, "With The Lemons" would be SUCH a good rename... :P)

    I also see that a post made on the 2nd of January asks about this kind of trope, and even gives the "How To Train Your Dragon" example. So I'm not the only one who hasn't found this on here... Reply

      Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon are unique threats that are most likely impossible to carry out, but get points for originality. Most of them force an involuntary snort out of me.

      Is this it?

      maybe Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon?

      I know that one's similar, but With The Lemons doesn't have to be a threat, and specifically refers to saying you'll do an action with an odd/impossible object, rather than a really odd/impossible/bizarre/convoluted action. Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon can be something like "Or I'll have no choice but to sit down and write a strongly worded letter!" My "With The Lemons" idea has no connection to something like that. The two can overlap, but they're not the same thing.

      I'm just wondering if there's a trope that is the same as With The Lemons, so that I don't make a duplicate. If all anyone can come up with is Cut His Heart Out with a Spoon, then I'm thinking probably not. So I figure I might as well go ahead and add it.

      Theres a YKTTW Here that has your example, buuut.
  • 3 Jan 24th, 2012 at 10:10PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 06:09:53 PM
    There a thing about ashes (really cremains) being scattered in a work and they blow away in the wind, even though they don't work that way in real life? Or is that just Reality Is Unrealistic? Reply
  • 2 Jan 28th, 2012 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 03:39:33 PM
    Two people discuss a movie they want to watch. One person thinks it'll be great and another person thinks it'll suck. They both watch it and turns out the person who though it would be great now thinks it sucks and the person who though it would suck thinks it's great. Perhaps some sort of Audience Reaction? Reply
  • 7 Jan 25th, 2012 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 03:27:49 PM
    Is there a trope for 'hiding badly, but still not seen'? Basically, a character is hiding from someone (usually an enemy) so as not to get caught or shot, or to maybe sneak up on them. It's really obvious to us, the audience, that it's not a very good hiding place, and it's clear to us that other people in the film/tv show should be able to see them... but they just don't! Reply

      Behind the Black? Rule of Perception says that "People hiding simply will crouch, and visibly display their heads, so the audience knows where they are."

      Closest thing I can think of is With Cat Like Tread. Perhaps start at that page and search for similar tropes amidst the blue text.

      Wait, is it Highly Visible Ninja?

      Rule Of Perception might cover it... but Highly Visible Ninja seems to suggest something more like what I'm thinking. At least so long it doesn't have to literally include a Ninja!

      Edit: Link to Highly Visible Ninja didn't work at first. Does now, and does look to be specifically about Ninjas. And the definition is far from what I was thinking really.

      How about No Peripheral Vision?

      That is probably the closest to what I'm thinking of. Not quite the same... but the closest!

      Failed a Spot Check perhaps?
  • 4 Jan 7th, 2012 at 3:03PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 12:31:15 PM
    Looking for a trope that amounts to "Who needs physiotherapy?" where a character has a limb reattached or a new one connected and they can use it as well as before. Example it only takes Adam Jensen of Deus Ex: Human Revolution six months to learn how to use four robotic limbs and their extra features. Reply
  • 3 Jan 25th, 2012 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 12:22:21 PM
    what is the logic fallacy that covers "if we can eventually get used to it, it's not bad"?

    As in "Oh, sure, PIPA and SOPA sound bad, but we will adapt to it, so stop complaining." Reply
  • 1 Jan 28th, 2012 at 11:11AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 12:02:01 PM
    I think this is an informational page rather than a trope, but looking for the page talking about how quickly stars rise and fade in Hollywood, including pointing out that it's a rare actress that lasts more than a few years these days. Reply
  • 1 Jan 28th, 2012 at 5:05AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 11:29:58 AM
    I'm hesitant to make a YKTTW about this, because I know it probably already exists. In a medium, there can only be a certain amount of cool characters at once. If the number exceeds the limit (usually two or three), the (previous) characters will become less cool. An example of this in action would be in the Mega Man X series. X was completely cool in most of X, Maverick Hunter X, and X2, where Zero wasn't in most of the picture, but once he became a playable character in X3, X largely lost his coolness and with the introduction of Axl hit an all time low of uncool, being a really pronounced whiny pacifist.

    Essentially, there can only be a set number of cool characters without any of them losing said cool. Something like "Conservation of Badass"? Reply
  • 1 Jan 5th, 2012 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 04:10:01 AM
    What trope would cover a set of minions who are followed for a sub-plot or side-story, the main thread of the work following their boss? I would imagine that this could apply to any group of such secondary characters, good or evil.

    For a concrete example, look at the webcomic The Fourth: The main plot follows Skärva (an evil overlord), his main henchman and their adopted ally. Parallel with this we have a connected plot following a group of named minions, currently acting on his orders as part of his overall plot.

    I'm tempted to call them a Quirky Miniboss Squad, but they don't seem to be acting as a distraction for anyone and have no obvious overarching theme (other than being minions for the same overlord). They don't seem to fit the pattern of a Terrible Trio, even discounting the disparity in number. Not seeming to be especially ineffective, they don't seem to be a Goldfish Poop Gang.

    Additionally, I'm inclined to suspect that the base trope is not villain-specific; I could see a secondary group of characters being followed as they attempt to achieve a secondary objective in support of a hero-driven work. Reply
  • 3 Jan 3rd, 2012 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 04:02:30 AM
    Is there a trope for being your own worst enemy? Not in a literal sense as in an Evil Clone but more in the sense of your self loathing and your insecurities being your biggest obstacle? Reply
  • 1 Jan 28th, 2012 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 28th Jan, 2012 02:46:18 AM
    Is there a trope for a when a character seems to always have love interest who tend to die? Reply
  • 3 Jan 26th, 2012 at 8:08PM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 09:32:52 PM
    Is there a trope for earthlings arriving on an alien planet with life casually eats what is native on the planet without any ill effect, or an extra-terrestrial arriving on earth and does the same thing? Reply
  • 2 Jan 19th, 2012 at 3:03AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 08:51:00 PM
    there's this trope... it is a specific kind of dubious Not Quite Dead. It goes more or less like this: Alice and Bob are going through the quest in the plot, but then at the finale, Alice dies. Bob gets struck by the death and all, but then goes on with his life. But, some time later, he meets someone who looks just like Alice, then the thing ends with a doubt in the air, did Alice survive? is that an illusion? is she just a lucky doppelganger? does she possess/rettain any trait from Alice?

    the problem is, right now, off the top of my head, I can't think of any good straight examples. There's Senna from the first Bleach movie, but I can't really remember if the doppelganger part fits correctly. And Lain from Serial Experiments Lain, but considering the non-standard scenario, (erasing herself from reality, but still existing in the Wired, and as a projection. Maybe), the trope may only apply for Arisu's perception. Or not. Anyway, as I said, not a good example for demonstration. Reply
  • 6 Jan 24th, 2012 at 12:12AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 06:16:24 PM
    Feel like there must be something that covers this:

    Someone's testing out their powers on something inanimate, or something easy enough to kill, but after the first hit it seems like it didn't work, so they step closer to check on it and as soon as they are in range that's when the cliff crumbles or the avalanche falls etc. Basically a delay happens between the attack and the result during which the hero foolishly moves into the danger zone because they think it didn't work.

    Also, do we have a trope where the Big Bad is basically successful, has defeated the heroes, and then just decides to retire?

    Edit: I seem to be having the worst day with finding lost tropes. Do we have something for people who become friends later in life but actually met before (usually years ago) and one or both forgot. Like a second first meeting? Reply
  • 0 Jan 27th, 2012 at 2:02PM
    Is there a trope for a series of episodes/levels/sequel/whatever where the main characters are on the run due to being framed or falling victim of a Villain with Good Publicity? It is often used for What You Are in the Dark and, in video games, Check-Point Starvation. Reply
  • 1 Jan 27th, 2012 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 12:20:44 PM
    This trope seems to happen a lot in video games, particularly point-and-clicks like Scratches. I don't know if the trope already exists, but it would probably be called something like, "Always a Vampire, Never a Reflection" or something like that. It's basically like... When a person's reflection SHOULD be in a mirror, or the cameraman's, but isn't, despite the camera angle calling for it. The only ways to subvert it would be if the mirror's inability to reflect people was a focal point of some kind, or if the person who SHOULD be reflected isn't supposed to be able to see their reflection. Mostly this trope happens when programmers choose not to show their main character in mirrors, again like I said, in Scratches. No matter how directly Michael stands in front of a mirror, you will never see his reflection for some reason.

    Um... Yeah, I don't know where I'm going with this. I'm just convinced it's happened enough that it should be a trope. Reply

      I know there was one point-and-click game that actually had my character's reflection, but that was because there was a key stuck to the collar on my neck and I would have had no idea it was there otherwise.

      I guess your character didn't need his reflection to advance the plot.
  • 1 Jan 27th, 2012 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 10:28:05 AM
    I feel like this is probably already a trope here, but I can't seem to find it, nor can I put a finger on the example I have in my head. The trope is the alien who forgets or didn't know common human biological functions. Classic example involves the alien teleporting the human underwater or into outer space and, after much pantomiming as the human runs out of air, the alien says something along the lines of "Oh that's right! You humans need oxygen to live." Theoretically, this stretches out to examples of humans and other species, the Real Life version involving children who don't quite get that their goldfish can't survive outside of the water or that sharing their Halloween chocolate with their puppy is a bad idea. Reply
  • 1 Jan 26th, 2012 at 10:10AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 10:26:49 AM
    Is there any trope for "character whose identity is supposedly fictional, but by now lots of people knows who he is, and for some reason they never refer to it still acting as if no one knows who they are"?

    Kind of hard to explain...

    Take the second Spiderman movie, for example. That train scene when he loses his mask. You know what I'm talking about.

    Or take the fact there are quite a few Batman villains who know who Batman is by now (Riddler and Hugo Strange and Raz al Ghul to name three), but they never act upon it, and the comics go on as if the secret has never been found. Reply
  • 1 Jan 27th, 2012 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 27th Jan, 2012 10:22:15 AM
    What's the trope that would apply to a person with a page on Enyclopedia Dramatica? Let's just say the contents of that page aren't so pretty. Reply

      Why would any trope apply to it?
  • 5 Jan 24th, 2012 at 2:02PM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 10:03:09 PM
    Okay, first of all, this is about video games, except there's no option for that. Anyway, my ideas stem from Super Mario Bros., and I call them: That First Goomba and That Last Koopa. Basically, in many of the Super Mario Bros. games, as soon as the screen starts scrolling, there's a goomba there. If you're dashing and fail to be Genre Savvy you'll run right into it and die instantly. Essentially, first goombas are put there to make sure you're paying attention. It doesn't even have to be an enemy; I recall that, in Episode 16 [1] of The Runaway Guys' LP of NSMBW, in the volcano level they kept falling victim to the blatantly obvious pit of lava. Like I said, you have to be paying attention. Alternately, That Last Koopa is when you're close to the finish, you can practically taste victory, you're jumping up the steps, when suddenly a koopa is coming down those very same steps and you jump right into it. This is now the game making sure you're not getting cocky. If you keep falling for these, you're Too Dumb to Live. Reply

      Hello? Anybody? Are there no existing tropes like these, or does nobody care about this enough to post a reply? Like, four entries above this one, there was a full multi-post exchange going on.

      ...Guys? Anyone? Please?!

      Maybe Press X to Not Die, but probably simply The Law of Conservation Of Detail filling up space with enemies. You can also look through Death Course and Death Trap; the latter having your example of the Lava Pit. Somewhat similar to Smashing Hallway Traps of Doom.

      I'm sorry, but none of that applies here. These placements are far from arbitrary, and the lava pit was just an example of when it's not actually an enemy. These might actually be new ideas.

      Seems like more of an outdated idea since it relies upon a 2D world, and games have mostly moved to 3D. Really, what you are describing is a mook variant of Death Trap because Everything Trying to Kill You. I can agree that a new subtrope needs to be made if there's not one that needs to be renamed.
  • 3 Jan 24th, 2012 at 4:04AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 07:39:33 PM
    Is there a trope for when a character (generally a bad guy) fuses with the core of a ship, or is otherwise linked up to it? An example would be Dr. Weil fusing with the Ragnarok's core at the end of Megaman Zero 4.

    Also, now that I think of it, is there a trope for when a ship is mentally controlled by whoever is controlling it, as opposed to controlled by buttons, levers and whatnot? Reply
  • 2 Jan 25th, 2012 at 9:09PM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 04:04:04 PM
    The medium actually doesn't matter; it's about the fans.

    YKTTW a show was Too Good To Last and was cancelled, and now fans of that show are afraid of being bitten and even though they watch other stuff, they're afraid of getting attached to it for the same reason (might get cancelled)?

    What is that? (Urgh! Can't find it anywhere, and I KNOW I wasn't dreaming!) Reply
  • 7 Jan 18th, 2012 at 9:09AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 03:23:19 PM
    I can't seem to find this. What's the trope when a pathetic character is revealed to possess amazing physical prowess when some kind of block is removed. Examples are Shaggy in Legend of the Phantasaurus is able to fight, ride a motorcycle, and do death-defying action moves when he is under the control of a hypnotic keyword; and there's the episode of Xena where Joxer has a spell placed on him by Aphrodite, but it's suggested that it only unlocked what was there. Kind of a temporary Took a Level in Badass. Reply

      Magic Feather or Amulet of Concentrated Awesome deal with an item doing this, but I don't know about hypnosis and spells.

      I'm more interested in the character trope then how it happens. The idea that this person would be immediately capable of performing feats of heroism if they weren't crippled by some mental block or quirk. Maybe it's covered within the tropes about how it happens. I'd thought it was The Joxer, but that page is gone.

      Trigger Phrase?

      No, because that's still just how it happens. It's like having a klutz that knows and understands swordsmanship intellectually, but he can't master it no matter how he tries to train because he's so clumsy he would severely injury or impale himself. Other characters might respect his knowledge, but they would never allow him to actually fight because of that clumsiness. But, because of some Macguffin, the clumsiness is gone so that he is no longer handicapped. It's not really Took a Level in Badass because he always had the mental and physical capacity for it.

      The Gloves Come Off?

      Kind of close but not quite. I'm looking more for something like Crouching Moron, Hidden Badass, but the person just can't access the Badass that's there. This could be something they lament, that they just can't step up no matter how hard they try or want to do so.

      I don't think there are really enough examples to make it tropable. May also be that I'm not explaining it quite right.

      I wanna take a shot at this again.

      Superpowered Alter Ego, Split Personality, Jekyll & Hyde (probably the closest), or Helpless Good Side (if the person turns back into the Moron at a crucial moment)?
  • 1 Jan 26th, 2012 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 10:25:06 AM
    What is the trope for when there's award ceremony or something like that, and one character is so sure they'll win they start to come forward when the winner is called and it takes them a bit to process that someone else won? Reply
  • 4 Jan 25th, 2012 at 8:08AM
    Lastest Reply: 26th Jan, 2012 07:42:52 AM
    Where do I go if I start a new disambiguation page, and want people to fix the links pointing to it? Reply

      What page? Usually you don't make them without a discussion.

      Damn...what happens if I didn't start a discussion beforehand?

      Main.Avengers Earths Mightiest Heroes

      Oh, it's simpler if it's a work page (and not a trope one).

      Just put a line saying "please fix the links" on the page. You can check out Lyrical Nanoha for an example.

      Although seeing that your page only has two links (and one that doesn't work), it may be not quite useful.

      I started a thread on that page's discussion page questioning its worth.
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