It's a Gundam thread!

It has potential. The aforementioned concept art of Build Fighters, I would like to guess that it was suppose to be Takeshi's.

edited 11th Sep '17 8:05:17 AM by Kuruni

Oh my goodness.

Oh my...oh my...GOODNESS!

OH MAI GAWD!

edited 11th Sep '17 1:54:20 PM by AlphaVII

I actually liked the old dub for SEED as Matt Hill and Samuel Vincent as they played childhood friends in another show.

I mean someone on an official Gundam thing drew that friggin Gundam Tank? Oh shit, next thing I know, DWG 5's gonna have the Thor Cannon as a stage.

...It would be interesting if they did do a Dynasty Warriors Gundam 5, but I highly doubt it. Reborn only made it onto PS 3 (and Vita, but only in Asian territories).

I wouldn't be surprised ifits PS 4 only by this point, that thing has the power to jack up the enemy numbers to shit hundred and fuck.

Then again DWG 2 and 3 could keepa consistent 60fps pretty impressively.

By making most of opposition intangible if there were too many of them. They could've written the AI to not pile up into hundred-mook death balls, but instead they just made everything not in melee range untouchable.

So much for the Turn A's nuke attack...

If they ever should make another DWG, Calamity War would be friggin perfect for it.

From what I've heard of its overall reception, I would quite frankly be stunned if DWG 5 happened and it didn't include IBO in one capacity or another.

Well, yeah. IBO is at the heart of Bandai's current push to introduce Gundam to Western markets - see also, the Gunpla deal with Barnes & Noble, the big English-language Gundam Versus release, and all the older shows becoming available on GundamInfo. If there's a DWG coming out in any sort of reasonable timeframe, it'll almost certainly have a Barbatos on the cover.

edited 12th Sep '17 1:27:07 AM by Iaculus

@MightyKombat: What's this about an attempt at a Gundam movie in the 80's by Hollywood? I've never heard of this.

@Rocket: Here ya go: http://www.zimmerit.moe/when-gundam-came-to-hollywood/

From this page:

One interesting thing in that interview is that it puts the kibosh on the old fandom myth that being blinded was supposed to be a Fate Worse Than Death for Katejina - it was actually precisely the opposite, a less extreme punishment, because Tomino felt that while she'd done terrible things, she wasn't an awful enough person to deserve death, and had simply got wrapped up in it all. Basically, her final appearance is implied to be her first step on the road to redemption.

Well, I've been researching more deeply, and it's even bigger than that. The long-held "truth" among fans that Tomino said he wanted Katejina to have a Fate Worse than Death as punishment is literally pure God Never Said That. Given that this debunks years of common sentiment, I find it to be fascinating.

The quote "for people like Katejina, death is the easy way out" is complete bunk, there is no citation and a source cannot be tracked anywhere. On many Japanese-language sites, however, there is a quote from Tomino saying he "wanted to give her a heavier punishment than death". Well, that one was tracked down to its source - the very Tomino/Anno discussion/interview linked to and discussed on the page I linked to. And it turns out, Tomino actually said he wanted to give her a heavier punishment than her blindness, not than death. He wanted something like lost limbs or full body burns, but censors wouldn't allow it, so he went with blindness. He also wanted Uso to pay a similar penalty for becoming a child soldier, but this also was not allowed. Japanese sites also quote him from a commentary on the series saying that this punishment was the only way to save Katejina after she had been driven so horrifically insane - it may be a rough life, but she's better person for it and can live a more redemptive life.

Basically, Katejina was supposed to be a Tragic Villain, not a Complete Monster. That she didn't come off that way was part of Victory Gundam's failures that make it Tomino's self-confessed least favorite Gundam series. It's also telling that every other iteration - novels, manga, video games - portrays Katejina closer to how she was meant to be, in a more clearly sympathetic light.

edited 20th Sep '17 8:28:50 PM by Isaac_Heller

WTF, Tomino. You don't punish children for being forced into warfare. It's morally reprehensible when children are in that situation, but it's almost never the child's fault.

I'll admit that I haven't exactly gone out of my way to keep my memory of Victory fresh, but I'm also pretty sure that Uso was rather on board with piloting for League Militaire. In fact, I do remember an early scene where he calmly gives an understandable, logical rationale for doing so (you know, that the people he cares about could die if he doesn't), and Katejina for some reason just can't wrap her head around it.

Also even if it's splitting hairs I have to kinda disagree with Tomino's assertion that Katejina counts as a proper The Atoner in her post-blindness life because her personality change seemed to be caused by amnesia, not any conscious decision on her part.

edited 20th Sep '17 8:59:26 PM by ComicX6

This is the man who had a child get decapitated via laser beam at the mere age of five.

edited 20th Sep '17 9:02:59 PM by heliosKAISER

Tomino wanting to give Uso a "Punishment" sounds strangely similar to something mentioned in the Iron Blooded Orphans thread of the series's writers thinking that Tekkadan deserved a "Punishment" or something like that.

edited 20th Sep '17 9:12:51 PM by dood9780

In pragmatic terms, wouldn't the outstanding success of child soldiers over adults implicitly justify the use of more child soldiers?

I can see a No Good Deed Goes Unpunished type of narrative conclusion or follow-up to that story, though it's actually something I'd say that Gundam 00's second season did more satisfactorily — if one sees the world's state of affairs during the second season and the lead-up thereto as Celestial Being's "punishment" for their actions in the first season.

edited 20th Sep '17 9:27:34 PM by EvaUnit01

To be fair, that was how Season 2 of IBO kicked off. There's also the fact that Celestial Being was treated as a straight up terrorist organisation, which you can't blame, really.

I don't think that Uso getting punished would be as much about him, personally, making an evil decision, but about being a child soldier being inherently harmful and awful. Like, sending a message of 'holy shit you do not want to live this guy's life'. As is, he is subjected to a bunch of traumatic experiences, but comes out largely unscathed and ready to do it all again if duty calls, which reads as a rather more positive take on the whole child soldier thing than Tomino likely intended.

I only just finished the first season the other day. Haven't gotten around to starting on the second yet.

Oh. Whoops.

Remember, people, this IS Tomino fresh off his Creator Breakdown. Some screwy logic is to be expected.

I'll admit that I haven't exactly gone out of my way to keep my memory of Victory fresh, but I'm also pretty sure that Uso was rather on board with piloting for League Militaire. In fact, I do remember an early scene where he calmly gives an understandable, logical rationale for doing so (you know, that the people he cares about could die if he doesn't), and Katejina for some reason just can't wrap her head around it.

I think the mindset was that Uso was too gung-ho about becoming a soldier and potential killer, while Katejina was at the opposite extreme where she just wanted to abandon the war cause altogether, and so they both punished for this (Uso in that Reality Ensues and he becomes traumatized, Katejina because the side - and man - she chooses to go with to avoid becoming a solider and killer ends up causing her to become a soldier and killer, and a crazy one at that.) The blindness is Katejina's final, irreversible penalty, and Uso was meant to have one too but it wasn't allowed.

Also even if it's splitting hairs I have to kinda disagree with Tomino's assertion that Katejina counts as a proper The Atoner in her post-blindness life because her personality change seemed to be caused by amnesia, not any conscious decision on her part.

This is where Alternate Character Interpretation comes in, as many believe she does remember on some level, with some even thinking that she isn't amnesiac at all and is just faking it.

edited 21st Sep '17 7:05:30 AM by Isaac_Heller