Needs More Distinction: Hello Nurse

Hello Nurse and Ms. Fanservice seem to have too much in common, and they seem to overlap more often than not. So I ask, fellow Tropers, what exactly is the distinction?

"Ms Fanservice to the other characters"-Laconic

There's a lot of crossover, but yeah, basically Hello Nurse evokes a strong reaction from the characters whereas Ms. Fanservice is there to evoke a reaction from the audience. I believe you could hypothetically have a Hello Nurse whose attractiveness was entirely informed, since it would be entirely about how other characters react to her. It's just easier on the Willing Suspension of Disbelief if s/he's conventionally attractive to the audience as well.

Hello Nurse has attractiveness as a plot point, Ms. Fanservice as a selling point.

Ms. Fanservice is for the viewers. Hello Nurse is Eating the Eye Candy.

This discussion overlaps a bit with the discussion of Hospital Hottie. I would change "Hello Nurse" to what "Hospital Hottie" implies (ie. a sexy female nurse character - this definition is already - mistakenly! - used by many other sites and also fits more than half of the examples listed on this site).

Change "Hello Nurse" to "Sexy Nurse" or something like that, change "Hospital Hottie" to "Hottie Hospital"

Hello Nurse isn't about nurses. It's about a female character who is immediately drooled over by the male characters as soon as she appears.

... come to think of it, that does make it kind of an awful name. It only works if you've seen Animaniacs.

I believe it had "successfully entrenched" as the reason the name wasn't changed.

Why are Hello Nurse and Eating the Eye Candy different tropes? It's not like we have separate tropes for Male Fanservice and Female Fanservice.

Eating the Eye Candy is a subtrope of Male Gaze and Female Gaze (or is it Gaze in general?) where the justification for the Male/Female Gaze is that one of the characters is Distracted by the Sexy, thus giving the camera man an excuse to use it.

But it specifies that it's the female-staring-at-male version of Hello Nurse.

Then somebody went and changed it behind my back after the TRS rename. It used to be under the name "Female Gaze" but it got renamed because people used Female Gaze as the Distaff Counterpart of Male Gaze.

Deleted that line. Make sense now?

Compare with Ms. Fanservice, who's meant to provoke the same reactions in the audience, rather than other characters (there's considerable overlap, though). See Chick Magnet and Even the Guys Want Him for the male version. Make straight females fall for her as hard as the straight boys, and she'll be a case of Even the Girls Want Her.

Is probably a pretty good comparison.

edited 10th Jan '11 9:39:08 AM by Deboss

Late to the party but should this trope page have a real life section in the examples?

Honestly? No, I don't think it needs one. It's just actresses tropers think are hot.

My idea: Take all the examples from Hello Nurse and put them in Ms. Fanservice on a new heading ("In-Universe Examples" or something like that), rename Hospital Hottie to Hello Nurse.

The example section for Ms. Fanservice is too crowded already. Besides, audience reactions and reaction shots are two very different things.

Ok.

It's a distinct trope: female characters that evoke a lot of attraction from many of the other characters. May be so hot that Even the Girls Want Her.

It's a character reaction trope so there should be no IRL section. It's defined so that it cannot happen IRL. RL people finding RL people hot is not a trope.

To avoid confusion, we should change the name or picture, because people very quickly skimming articles (of which we're all guilty at some point) would think this is a trope about hot nurses, which it isn't. Changing the picture to something non-nurse related would be easier, but the current image illustrates the trope quite nicely.

Why not rename the article and keep Hello Nurse as a redirect?

Bump. And it would be appreciated if an opinion can be given regarding the questions raised here about redirecting Dude Magnet to Hello Nurse (or whatever you might rename the trope to).

Have to say, this is a horrible name. I had no idea until I actually read the thing just now that this is not overlapping with Hospital Hottie.

Anyone want to check whether it's being used correctly? If there's a lot of misuse, I'm for a rename.

Even as a fan of Animaniacs, I have to admit it's a pretty bad name for the trope. Something like The Bombshell would be better.

edit: I have to disagree with merging Hello Nurse with Chick Magnet because they're not inherently one in the same. For example, a Kavorka Man is someone who's a Chick Magnet while being considered ugly.

edited 19th May '11 5:09:10 PM by Lionheart0

Hello Nurse would be okay for the character reaction the current content of the title inspire.

edited 19th May '11 10:26:01 PM by peccantis

Uh? First half of the line made sense, second... didn't.

edited 19th May '11 11:20:02 PM by nrjxll

"Hello Nurse" as a title would fit nicely a trope about the reaction (whistles, wolfcalls, "Hello—nurse!" shouts etc.) fellow characters (in-universe) have to the in-universe super attractive characters (that are what Hello Nurse currently describes), more than it fits its current usage (for in-universe super attractive characters). Makes more sense?

The name is pretty crappy but at the end of the day correct usage is what's important, so unless it's being frequently misused in the wicks then there's no need to change it.