Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

If I remember correctly, no. There's been a lot of discussions lately that made me avoid the forum for a few days.

I remember they were discussed (somewhat), and Ravok was gonna bold the ones for cutting, but then that kinda...got lost in the shuffle I guess?
P.S.: Lighty, I remember you had mentioned some possible candidates from The Sixth Gun?

edited 29th Jun '16 12:43:17 PM by ACW

Sorry 'bout that - I was just puzzled why people kept using Ronan the Accuser as a stock example of a villain who only barely avoided being a GDV, when I don't consider him that bland.

edited 29th Jun '16 12:44:39 PM by nrjxll

@Morgenthaler: I distinctly remember a few pages of conversation being taken up by the subject of quotes. Never once did we act on it because quotes we agreed to be cuts - in the mess of controversy this has incited - are still on the page, last I checked.

It shouldn't "fall to the wayside if it takes up pages of conversation. There is literally no excuse for that aside from us getting our priorities in a jumble, which I might note this thread seems to have a knack for doing. I'm all for discussing everything pertaining to the Monster trope; candidates, quotes, sub-pages, so long as it's relevant. But I'm not a happy camper when that conversation swallows up the rest of the thread and then suddenly grinds to a dead halt and goes nowhere. Not very productive.

edited 29th Jun '16 1:49:33 PM by Scraggle

Another one of those things that fell by the wayside (just like getting rid of inappropriate entries on the MLP and Pokemon fanworks pages).

Here's Frank Serpo's write up.

• Dead Island: Riptide: Frank Serpo is a pathological backstabber and manipulator, who's only loyalty is to himself, as well as the frontman of a government/possible terrorist organization that seeks to weaponize the zombie virus and control outbreaks for their own ends. When during the outbreak on Palani, Serpo usurps government and military control of the situation from Colonel Sam Hardy and shuts down any humanitarian effort by the military. At the beginning of the game, Serpo has the immune experimented on with a mutegen before leaving them when zombies attack their ship. When the immune help the survivors of Palani find refuge and seek help from the military, Serpo only wishes to collect the immune for more experiments. When they insist on him taking the civilians, this leads to a standoff that ends with Hardy being shot. When his helicopter crashes, Serpo leaves his men to die, shooting one of them to distract the zombies. He's also responsible for Harlow Jordan's death, having her caught and experimented on with mutegen, driving her mad, and tries to convince the immune shes a terrorist and should be killed. Moments before his death, Serpo tries to coerce the immune to come with him, and freely admits to orchestrating the outbreak.

Late 'Yes' to Serpo.

The emboldening quotes thing was my idea, but I forgot about it. Sorry about that. It's done now, though, and anymore we agree on cutting I'll embolden as well.

edited 29th Jun '16 2:14:23 PM by Ravok

Suggested edit:

• Avatar Universe:
  • Avatar: The Last Airbender: Fire Lord Ozai is a genocidal, child-abusing fascist dictator who has dedicated weeks at a time and large portions of his national army to hunting down and killing a twelve-year-old and his friends. He forced Ursa into marrying him, and tried to kill her old lover out of spite. He obtained the throne when he manipulated Ursa into murdering his father to usurp the throne from his grieving older brother Iroh. He then thanked her with banishment from the Fire Nation and threatened to hunt them down and kill the children if she took them with her. He abused his son Zuko out of spite when Ursa claimed that Zuko was not his son even though he knew it was a lie, burned his face for speaking out of turn, and tried to shot him with lightning when he decides to join Aang. He manipulated his loyal daughter Azula into becoming his perfect little villain to the point where she snaps from the pressure, only to later discard her to a completely meaningless position. Finally, his reaction to news of rebellions in the Earth Kingdom is to try to incinerate the continent. Even after his downfall he stills tries to manipulate his son Zuko into being a tyrant like himself. He doesn't regret any of those moments and feels no remorse for the consequences.
  • The Legend of Korra: Unalaq is Korra's Evil Uncle, the leader of the Northern Water Tribe, and one of the primary villains of Book 2. Years ago, Unalaq, jealous of his older brother, Tonraq, had him exiled from his home tribe after framing him as responsible for the destruction the Dark Spirits inflicted on their tribe. Later trying to have Avatar Korra, a child at the time, kidnapped, Unalaq abandoned his partners to their fates when the plan failed. When the Dark Spirits return, Unalaq takes control of the Southern Water Tribe from Tonraq and has anyone who may oppose him disposed of, triggering a war between the water tribes. Later attempting to open a spirit portal, Unalaq tries to leave his son to die when he is injured, and, realizing only the Avatar can open the portals, threatens to destroy the soul of Jinora, a little girl, to force Korra to assist him, then tries to condemn Jinora to the Fog of Lost Souls and to murder Korra even after she opened the portal. Revealing his true colors, Unalaq assaults the Southern Water Tribe; beats down Tonraq, sparing his life solely so he can see Unalaq win; then frees Vaatu, the spirit of darkness and chaos, with whom he has been partnered with the entire season, fuses with him into a Dark Avatar, and tears the spirit of light and order, Raava, out of Korra and attempts to obliterate her. Unalaq then attacks Republic City and announces his plans to rule over humanity after destroying all world order. A sociopath with a god complex, Unalaq stands out as the most monstrous villain in this sequel series to Avatar.

I don't oppose that. Please add it to the drafts.
As for the quotes: Film, TV, and Video Games look good to cut those. I shortened the Iceman's quote a bit; see if that helps.

edited 29th Jun '16 3:25:45 PM by ACW

Could the last Kai Parker qoute still work of context was added to the qoute ? Because the context of the scene was him gloating about the murder of his pregnant twin sister to her distressed fiancé at their wedding.

edited 29th Jun '16 3:40:01 PM by Beast

I see what you're saying, but it seems like there's enough context IMHO.

Quotes need to stand on their own. Just like pictures do.

I have a question about Sabretooth's entry on the X-Men Monster Page

"Victor Creed has reveled in his savagery ever since he was a boy, when his original origin story was that he killed and ate his parents."

Sabes belongs on the CM list no question but the origin story I'm familiar with has his father being a monster too and abusing the young and helpless child Sabretooth. Heck, even the entry notes that it was the "original origin" which means i twas probably retconned or changed.

I just don't see why it's necessary. Creed's CM status was cemented as an adult, no matter what his origin and also this origin might be non-canon to boot.

Seems like it does, maybe.
So, like this?

• Sabretooth (pre-AXIS): While Wolverine rejects the savage, animal side of him, his Arch-Enemy, Victor "Sabretooth" Creed, embraces it. He became a mercenary, though he commits multiple murders for his own pleasure as well as profit. Sabretooth is known for making a game of hunting down women and children before killing and eating them, including live babies. One issue of Deadpool revealed that, after slaughtering a large group of people, he had a little girl locked in his closet as a snack for later. Sabretooth once joined X-Factor, though he was revealed to be faking a Heel–Face Turn in order to ensure that a psychic dependence on an addiction was removed. He promptly attempted to murder those he could. At one point, Sabretooth found himself as an unlikely father figure to Wolverine's amoral son Daken. This wasn't out of altruism however. Sabretooth played off Daken's desire for fatherly affection and drove him towarda confrontation with his father solely to hurt Wolverine more after he was forced to kill Daken. Every affection he ever had for Daken was a lie: Sabretooth would have killed Daken himself, but wanted the death to be at Wolverine's hands for maximum agony. For decades, Sabretooth has reveled in his monstrosity. He mixes his sadism with a brutal cunning and intellect, and is revealed to remember every life he's ever ended because he savors every death he deals.

edited 29th Jun '16 4:54:50 PM by ACW

Will nick get their own monster page eventually? I mean so far they have about 4 monsters, so if they get a 5th monster, will they get one?

I still don't the think the pre-Axis stipulation is necessary. Morality-reversing magic ≠ redeeming traits.

Nah. We did for Cartoon Network, but only because there were so many. Nick would need, like, a dozen more.
I prefer keeping it, but I'd not cause too big a fuss if we removed it (though we'd then also have to do the same for Carnage). Incidentally, how'd you get that /= to show up?

edited 29th Jun '16 4:56:07 PM by ACW

Option key plus equal sign key.

I recently went through the YMMV pages for the works of Clive Barker to see how many had a Complete Monster. I figured at least a few would considering his typical subject matter, but it turned out to be far more than I expected. Going by his list of works on his creator page, he has, including the Hellraiser movie franchise, created a total of 10 characters that qualify. That's the same as Stephen King, counting each of Randall Flagg's appearances separately, who has his own page. Does anyone else think the new master of horror deserves his own subpage?

Does Clive Barker have his own shared universe between works? If not, no.

I’d like to propose someone from the 2010 movie Born to Raise Hell.

Who is he?

Costel is a Romanian gangster and owner of a popular club called the Roma Ace.

What does he do?

Costel had been in a partnership a drug kingpin named Dimitri, who Steven Seag- I mean.. 'Robert Samuels' had been on the trail of, since he was part of a drug task force. Costel uses the girls at his club as mules to get drugs to London.

However, Costel is also a sadistic psychopath. He specializes in home invasions, where he and his men break into wealthy people’s homes, steal whatever they can and kill the family inside. He himself would personally rape and murder the wife, and according to Samuels, would sometimes rape them both before and after they were dead. We see him and his men performing one of these invasions on a couple early in the movie, and he had done it an unknown amount of times in the past.

He also has one of his drug mules killed when he sees her pocketing some money, and performs a drive-by on one of his drug runners along with some police when the runner gets captured.

When Costel owes Dimitri some money, and after Dimitri learns of Costel’s actions, which he says made him ‘sick’, Dimitri gives him some time to get the money to him before he has him killed. In response, Costel does one of his home invasions on Dimitri’s house, though Dimitri is out at the time. One of Costel’s men shoots Dimitri’s wife, which upsets Costel because she could have told them where Dimitri kept his money before they killed her, and Costel attempts to kill Dimitri’s young son before getting interrupted by Dimitri’s men and escaping.

Later, when Samuels and his partner Ronnie find Costel at his mansion, Costel fatally shoots Ronnie in the neck.

When Samuels finally corners Costel and they fight, Costel pretends to surrender before pulling his gun on Samuels, but getting shot himself.

Does he pass the standard of heinousness of the work?

Yes. Dimitri is a drug kingpin, but he's not sadistic or needlessly cruel, he even teams up with Samuels in the end to avenge his wife, and decides to leave the business afterwards.

One of Costel's men, Dada, who shot Dimitri's wife, is also terrible, but clearly not as much so as Costel.

Are there any other mitigating factors?

No.

Conclusion:

It’s never said how many home invasions he’s pulled off in the past, but it’s at least enough for him to be known for it, and we see two of them.

edited 29th Jun '16 6:47:17 PM by Camberf

Costel.

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