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@ 52083 nrjxll, Well again there is no rule that says we have to only accept examples from good quality works, really the only rule is we not look at works that exploitative or based only on shock value. Human Centipede is exploitative, Battlefield Earth is just bad, but its not due to being exploitative or shock value, its just a badly made film. Really we shouldn't discriminate and only accept examples from high quality works.

And really people here can do whatever they want with their free time, I used to watch So Bad, It's Good horror movies with a friend for a laugh, only sometimes we got So Bad Its Horrible movie instead or just got something boring, so I don't mind looking at some low quality works, but I do have my limits. At least Ghost Rider and the TOS episode "And the Children Shall Lead" somewhat align with my interests and are relatively short in terms of watch time. But frankly I don't have the patience to watch an entire TV show that I think will suck, like Hulk and the Agents of SMASH.

Anyway to Amon.

edited 6th Feb '16 7:03:19 AM by Overlord

Barbarian Queen was, at least, pretty short, but I still had to fast forward at parts. But, just to get it over with.

• Barbarian Queen: King Arrakur and his army wipe out Amethea's village, taking the men and forcing them to be gladiators, and taking the women to be sex slaves, including Amethea's younger sister. Arrakur allows his men to murder, rape and murder as they please, gladly taking part in their brutality. He captures Amethea and tortures her for information on the whereabouts of the rebel force, even trying to force himself on her. He also takes her sister to be his new concubine.

Amon, I think. Though you mentioned how he compares to Mengsk, but what about Rumm, Burgess, and Daun (the latter two of which might need to be moved to Comics and Lit, respectively).

edited 6th Feb '16 11:28:50 AM by ACW

Amon

So, this image was suggested for Monster.Star Trek at one point, if I recall. Could it be used, or was it dropped?

edited 6th Feb '16 9:03:53 AM by Clown-Face

I think Amon, an Omnicidal Maniac Satanticarchetype who seeks to torture and destroy all life but that he chooses compares pretty well to a sadistic drill sergeant, honestly.

I'd been planning on Effortposting him for a while, to Amon

Also, the Monster.Live Action TV page image needs to be resolved. I'd suggest this image◊ from Bates Motel.

Arrakur and Maax have been added.
Is there anyway to give a TL:DR summary of Amon? That's a...REALLY long effortpost.

The Bates Motel image looks good.

At the very least, we can add Abernathy's image to the main image page.

found this on The Heroes of Olympus

• Complete Monster: Bryce Lawrence. Arguably to a fault, as his sadism and extreme arrogance are his only real traits as a character. He takes great pleasure the suffering and agony of others, especially if it is unjust. When he captures Reyna after overhearing her confess to killing her father (except not really), he seems downright giddy about the prospect of her being tied into a sack with a dog and thrown into a river, the punishment for patricide in Ancient Rome. Not that he doesn't get his comeuppance - Nico forcibly turns him into a ghost and sends him directly into the Fields of Punishment.

No idea on a potential quote, before anyone asks. I'd appreciate a few more votes before I suggest it in the crowner.

and this on Psycho

• Complete Monster: Norma Bates, Norman's abusive mother. She kept him isolated all his life, sexually abused him, emotionally abused him, physically abused him, locked him in the closet multiple times after dressing him up as a girl, prevented him from ever having confidence in himself, made excuses to beat him while telling him that he deserved it, told him that all women were whores who would ruin his life, told him that she should have had an abortion to prevent him from being born, made him completely dependent on her, tossed him aside after finding a man of her own, and never felt a single shred of regret for abusing the son she emotionally dominated. Despite being finally killed by her vengeful son, her atrocious personality still lives on inside of Norman's traumatized psyche, preventing Norman from ever having a normal life.

____ I only watched the first movie but if i recalled, she's a Posthumous Character.

edited 6th Feb '16 12:25:58 PM by Silverblade2

Norma was listed before, but was cut for insufficient heinousness, IIRC.

It was written (as I think all effortposts should be) to be intelligible to someone with absolutely no knowledge of the setting, so yes. The TL:DR version is, as Lightysnake said, "Satanic Archetype Omnicidal Maniac who claims to be doing the universe a favor but isn't backed up by the facts".

I forgot that there were a couple of other Starcraft CMs from the expanded universe, but they're in wholly different villain tiers so I'm not sure it matters.

edited 6th Feb '16 12:38:00 PM by nrjxll

edited 6th Feb '16 12:49:10 PM by ACW

I have a question, I planning on reproposing a character that initially didn't make the cut as they went on to make a further apperance and afterwards I'm pretty sure they're now well over the line.

Now the series they appered in only just ended three days ago, but the character I want to propose died before the last episode, so should I wait a week before making the post or not?

Any thoughts on this image?

"Satanic Archetype Omnicidal Maniac who claims to be doing the universe a favor but isn't backed up by the facts"
Okay then, that's an easy enough . Sounds like he does JUST enough to move beyond standard Starcraft villainy, what with basically creating the Zerg. The only question is, even if he isn't a WIE, maybe he's deluded himself into thinking he is that he can't see what he's actually become?
If they died over a week ago, you could probably maker the post now.

edited 6th Feb '16 12:52:18 PM by ACW

I have a rather obscure one I just remembered having seen last night from the 2000 monster film Octopus in the human Big Bad Casper.

Who is He

Casper is a psychotic terrorist and the primary human villain of the film. He leads a terrorist organization, and is the world's leading terrorist and the Arch-Enemy of Roy Turner (and responsible for the death of his partner Henry). The plot of the film revolves around simply trying to relocate the maniac back to the USA to be put on trial for his crimes.

What He's Done

Casper opens the film by planting a bomb in the US embassy, right next to a little girl (who he without a doubt knows was there, as he intentionally talked to her and planted the bomb on the chair beside her) resulting in a great many deaths, which he looks back on with a chuckle as the bomb goes off.

It's explained after his capture that this is not his first time doing this, as he's done it eight more times prior.

As he escapes from the scene, he plants another bomb in the middle of a crowded street simply to cover his own escape, endangering an even larger amount of civilians. When confronted by Roy (who due to not being an analyst, not a field agen and having never actually having to pull the trigger at another human being), he coldly mocks his inability to actually kill him when he has the chance.

Even after Roy saves his life by pulling him from his wrecked car before it can explodes, he seems to make it his goal to mock, terrorize, and kill the man. The only compassion he ever shows Roy for this is trying to manipulate him and mess with his head.

Once on board the submarine the SS Roosevelt to transport him back to the mainland, he tries to perform a Breaking Lecture on Roy, including mocking the death of his partner. Midway through, Casper manages to get one of his hands free and holds a soldier hostage with a piece of broken glass to force Roy to free him...only to cut his hostage's throat without a moment's regret the moment he's free. The only reason he doesn't stab Roy to death then with the same piece of broken glass and there is the explosions from the sub's attempt to kill the title Sea Monster followed by it's attack on the sub itself interrupts him and forces him to hide before he can finish the job.

Even when the title Sea Monster cripples the sub, leaving it stranded at the bottom of the ocean with everyone's life at risk, he priorities his own life over everyone on board, forcing Lisa Finch (the ship's scientist) to contact his terrorist group for his escape plan (which involves holding the captain of a cruise liner's family hostage in exchange for changing the course to pick him up, but ultimately planning to simply blow up the entire ship, killing everyone on board to keep them quiet). He also implies that he has intentions to rape her (which follows his worldview of his own desires being paramount), but is thankfully stopped by the crew before he can do anything further.

Even with the giant octopus attacking in full force, the Roosevelt at risk of imploding from the ocean pressure, and the sub flooding with water, he decides to lock Roy and his allies in a flooding section of the ship which the octopus is currently trying to kill them all through a hole in the wall and laughs in their faces through the door window. While it could be said he was trying to silence witnesses, his sadistic glee shows he definitely enjoyed it.

Casper makes another attempt on Roy's life with sadistic glee by strangling him with a chain, continuing to mock him and only being stopped when held at gunpoint by the Roosevelt's captain. Note, at this point killing Roy wasn't necessary, he simply wanted to kill the man who'd saved his life before.

Once they're on board the ship, he proceeds with his plan to destroy it and escape (resulting in the deaths of many crew members), not even caring about his own men being picked off and killed when the Octopus follows them to the surface and begins its attack on the ship (even leaving one onboard with the bomb just to escape with his own life) and even in this situation intending to execute Roy and his surviving allies in cold blood. He continues mocking Roy with his inability to bring himself to kill another human being right up till the end when the Sea Monster itself finishes the psychopathic terrorist off.

Heinousness Standard

His only competition in the film is the title Sea Monster, which is simply acting on instinct rather than any malicious intent. Even then, he proves to be as much a danger to the lives trapped on board with him as the creature and would gladly leave them all to die or kill them himself if he could.

Characterization/Freudian Excuse/Redeeming Qualities

No Freudian Excuse is ever given. Casper's world view amounts to 'keep focused on what you want, and nothing else, and then you won't have any regrets'. In other words, he considers one's personal desires above everything else and staying focused on those things absolves one of any regret. In his case, it's his sadistic desire to kill others.

Casper is psychotic and sadistic, but can act composed and collected when he desires. We don't learn an exact motivation, but his worldview implies he simply doesn't consider anything except his own personal satisfaction as being relevant and regret for his actions as being beneath him.

He also seems to view being able to kill another man as being what makes a real man, mocking Roy repeatedly for not being able to bring himself to pull the trigger on another human.

The only humor from Casper's character is a mixture of manipulation and sadistically mocking others, which are more for his own pleasure than anyone else's.

Final Thoughts

I personally think Casper would qualify, as he's a psychotic lunatic that believes doing what he wants is the paramount rule in his worldview and will kill others without a moment's regret or hesitation and has no respect for human life.

In the context of the movie, he's played as a horrid, despicable human being. His world view is one that allows him to kill people and feed his sadistic impulses without a moment's regret.

Casper.

Oh, god, how long ass it been since I saw that horrible film? I think Casper is a keep, but my god, that movie sucked.

Like, I think my favorite part is the hero, a trained agent/soldier keeps being entirely unable to shoot this guy and another scene when they leave a door on a ship wide open so the maid can come in, don't bother hiding stuff on the bed so they cna shoot her because she's seen too much

But Casper is a friendly ghost! How could he possibly be a monster? Whoops, wrong Casper.

I'll have to read that proposal in more detail before I up vote him.

Edit: Sounds like a total asshole. He's got my vote.

Speaking of bad films, does Uzumaki have an example? I hear the villains in that do really disturbing things.

edited 6th Feb '16 1:11:02 PM by Klavice

There's another keeper from a manga near to ending and since he just got turned into fine red mist, I'll be proposing him in a few days

Casper I guess, even though it kind of sounds like the only reason he gets as far as he does is the good guys being idiots.