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Looking more closely at the description for Scenery Porn, I think the actual problem with it is Trope Decay. The description says it's about "emphasis on detailed backgrounds", yet pretty much every example I have ever seen is just gushing about how freaking awesome the visuals are.

 1252 Another Duck, Mon, 23rd Sep '13 10:04:25 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
I agree with that. The trope should be about when more effort than necessary is spent on backgrounds, or when they're significant in their own right. Not just above the bare minimum, or just pretty backgrounds.
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 1253 Septimus Heap, Mon, 23rd Sep '13 10:41:49 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Trope Decay (real or possible; can't check right now) aren't on their own a reason to make something YMMV, so I've downvoted Scenery Porn.

[up]I never said it was. I'm saying the problem is not what I originally thought it was. That's why I've changed my vote.

 1255 Septimus Heap, Tue, 24th Sep '13 2:25:14 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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You did originally propose to make it YMMV. That is what I was responding to.

 1256 Mag Bas, Thu, 26th Sep '13 5:41:15 AM from In my house
Bumping to votes.

 1257 Mag Bas, Sat, 28th Sep '13 3:25:12 PM from In my house
Bumping to votes again. Common Knowledge is with 7 yes and 0 nays makes two days.

 1258 Mag Bas, Wed, 2nd Oct '13 10:04:18 AM from In my house
Bumping to votes. Common Knowledge is 8 yes and 1 nay and Do Not Do This Cool Thing is 6 yes and 3 nays.

edited 2nd Oct '13 10:04:52 AM by MagBas

 1259 Mag Bas, Fri, 4th Oct '13 9:19:34 AM from In my house
Bumping to votes again.

 1260 Mag Bas, Sun, 6th Oct '13 12:51:30 PM from In my house
Common Knowledge is 8 yes and 1 nay makes at least 4 days. Well, at least Do Not Do This Cool Thing received votes(2 nays, to be more exact).

 1261 Mag Bas, Tue, 8th Oct '13 5:54:16 AM from In my house
Bumping to votes.

 1262 Mag Bas, Sat, 12th Oct '13 10:37:57 AM from In my house
Bumping to votes again.

 1263 Mag Bas, Sun, 13th Oct '13 2:12:39 PM from In my house
Calling Common Knowledge( 9 yes and 1 nay)

 1264 Mag Bas, Tue, 15th Oct '13 8:08:21 PM from In my house
All the blue examples were called. I guess that a new crowner is a good idea.

 1265 Mag Bas, Thu, 24th Oct '13 7:48:43 PM from In my house
Bump. I do not know how create a new crowner.

I see that Do Not Do This Cool Thing is nominated, but is there some kind of discussion on it?
 
 1267 Mag Bas, Fri, 25th Oct '13 7:34:24 AM from In my house
Post 1244: "I propose we add the banner to Do Not Do This Cool Thing since "cool" is subjective."

Post 1245: "...While that's a strange way to put it, I can support that. A description that's written largely in second-person is not the sign of an objective trope."

Post 1246: "I awould rather worry about that first folder first. What is up with it?"

Post 1247: "Well, including Do Not Do This Cool Thing in the crowner."

edited 25th Oct '13 7:34:44 AM by MagBas

Does Age-Inappropriate Dress have an objective standard?

It talks about the "cultural norm", but fails to specify if it is the cultural norm of the viewer, the creator, or the in-universe culture.

Also, even within a given culture, such as "Western culture", "American culture" etc, there is a lot of diverse opinion as to what constitutes appropriate dress for various groups of people. One person's idea of normal teenage fashion might have their neighbors going "I can't believe they let their kids dress like that!"

Contemptible Cover seems like a clear case of an Audience Reaction to me. Added to the crowner.

[up]I believe Age-Inappropriate Dress is about characters that dress inappropriately *according to in-story norms*, and are perceived as such by other characters within the story.
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 1270 Septimus Heap, Tue, 12th Nov '13 12:36:58 PM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Most examples don't specify the standard used, though.

[up] True. I see what I said is what the trope should be.

I believe Age-Inappropriate Dress is a case for a Trope Repair Shop then. I don't think it should get YMMV status, as this means revoking its trope status. A viewer making a subjective observation in a show is not a trope.

edited 12th Nov '13 1:50:05 PM by LordGro

It's perfectly possible to admire building a cannon to destroy the moon, whilst lamenting the act of destruction.
 1272 DracMonster, Mon, 2nd Dec '13 10:41:58 AM Relationship Status: Singularity
Gambit Roulette appears to be an Audience Reaction. Its very first paragraph includes one.

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I don't think it actually is; I think it's just not necessarily written in the best way. A Gambit Roulette is a series of gambits, each of which relies on the previous ones coming off exactly as expected, even though the factors which affect success depend on chance (i.e. are unpredictable). As noted in the description, this long string of events coming off perfectly can strain suspension of disbelief, which is why one way of identifying a gambit roulette would be to pay attention to when you go "that couldn't have worked that perfectly!". But that's not the only or the most reliable way; the improbability of things working exactly as planned can be judged objectively.

edited 2nd Dec '13 11:11:45 AM by Nocturna

It would be an audience reaction if one rare thing needed to happen, but the roulette always depends on several factors that are improbable. The definition is simply difficult to write objectively.
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 1275 DracMonster, Mon, 2nd Dec '13 4:10:36 PM Relationship Status: Singularity
[up] and [up][up] Hmm, ok fair enough.

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At issue:
YMMV is for items that are reactions of the audience to works and tropes that need a significant judgment call to tell whether they exist objectively or not.

Should these items become members of YMMV?

Note: Audience Reactions need to be subjective, emotional responses and things that are likely to cause arguments and disagreements. Merely being outside a work or inside an audience don't make things YMMV
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