Condemned by History cleanup thread

There probably needs to be a bigger focus on how their old, used-to-be popular works are now considered, rather than just describing where the creator is now. If the older works are still seen as good, the creator isn't an example.

In general. I'm not sure about most the examples discussed, but most just seem to be discussing the present, which just falls under "isn't popular anymore".

edited 12th Jul '16 6:32:59 PM by AnotherDuck

Was that responding to my post, or just in general?

• John Mayer's career went downhill after his personal life got exposed. After he started dating Jessica Simpson, he began to do marijuana and later had other high profile girlfriends like Jennifer Aniston, Katy Perry, and Taylor Swift. A Playboy article about him in 2010 had him make racist jokes, like "my dick is sort of like a white supremacist. I've got a Benneton heart and a David Duke cock". And he used the N-word in an interview. Plus Taylor Swift's "Dear John" was rumored to be about him and being an abusive boyfriend.

I see. What about Jay Sean, Bous Like Girls, Kevin Rudolf, etc.?

Boys Like Girls were never huge to begin with, and I don't hear anyone mentioning the hate surrounding them.

Joe Quesada is definitely not an example, even if an editor can count in the first place. His later tenure is near-universally hated by Marvel fans, yes, but most comics readers/critics I'm familiar with would still say that his initial period in charge was a much-needed corrective after the troubled 90s.

Jay Sean and Boys Like Girls I can't think of anything for now. They just faded away, so there's no need to put them on unless I see otherwise. EDIT: Actually BigBertha is right. BLG were never huge, and they never had a top 10 hit. They just faded into obscurity quickly.

Jay Sean just happened to be the first in many "clones" that popped up in 2009/10. He was quickly followed by Jason Derulo, Iyaz, Taio Cruz, and Mike Posner. Only Derulo's career survived afterwards, although Posner's been making a good comeback lately.

Kevin Rudolf, on the other hand, seems to have a lot going for him. He had a massive #5 single with "Let it Rock" and a minor hit a year later with "I Made It". I think he got quite a backlash at the time, as his music was overexposed on WWE programming and he got a ton of criticism for watering down rock music for a pop/rap audience.

3OH!3 were huge in 2009/10 but got a lot of backlash very quickly. "Don't Trust Me" was accused of being sexist and for making a tasteless joke about Helen Keller. Their next album was trashed by many critics, who criticized it's lyrics all being about drinking and sex. "My First Kiss" was slammed for being a "Don't Trust Me" rehash. They're pretty much the white LMFAO, except they couldn't sell albums and didn't break up afterwards, and unlike LMFAO's two big hits "Don't Trust Me" is hardly considered a classic. I honestly can't remember the last time I heard their music playing anywhere.

edited 12th Jul '16 7:04:37 PM by LaptopGuy

3OH!3's 2016 album, NIGHT SPORTS, peaked at #170. Yeah... they've fallen just like any crunkcore group.

Just added Seltzer/Friedberg and Leif Garrett.

edited 13th Jul '16 1:13:34 AM by BigBertha

I'm not sure Hayden Christensen counts; from what I understand he more voluntarily retreated than was chased off with torches and pitchforks. Plus he's said he'd be totally up for a cameo in the new Star Wars trilogy if they ever need Anakin's Force Ghost to show up.

I concede that 3OH!3 fit, but what about Sean Kingston? I seem to recall him being involved in a waterskiing accident around 2011, but I don't have all the details.

Also, I should note that BigBertha commented out Sean Paul's example on the hip-hop page, but UltimateLazer restored it.

to 3OH!3, as their songs with Kesha (who is not DTD) have been forgotten, ironically enough.

I honestly don't know anything about Garrett, so maybe someone can expand his entry.

Back to my reviews on filmmakers: How about Taylor Lautner, Jennifer Love Hewitt, and the actors from American Pie?

edited 13th Jul '16 9:05:22 AM by BigBertha

• Lautner's career went down with Twilight. I don't see any reason to add him individually.
• Not all the American Pie actors' careers went down. I'd say Jason Biggs, Shannon Elizabeth, Chris Klein, and Tara Reid fell off hardest. How about the series as a whole instead?

This entry was recently deleted from DeaderThanDisco.Western Animation

• Of all Nickelodeon's classic animated shows, Rocket Power has probably aged the worst. It was fairly popular in its day, running for four seasons, generating video games, made-for-TV movies and a decent amount of merchandise, and ran in syndication on the Nicktoons channel for several years after its cancellation. Today however it's practically regarded as Snark Bait for its reliance on Totally Radical slang (though in all fairness that was toned down starting with the second season) and riding the popularity of the late '90s extreme sports trend. The show did receive a DVD release in 2014 and occasionally turns up on TeenNick's The '90s Are All That block, but lacks the Nostalgia Filter received by other Nick shows from the same era. The main reason is that Rocket Power, unlike most of Nickelodeon's animated output made until that point such as Rugrats (made by the same people), Rocko's Modern Life or SpongeBob SquarePants (which debuted the same year), had no crossover appeal with teens and adults. It was made and marketed exclusively for kids, especially kids who played the extreme sports depicted on the show. Even in its day, many people outside the target demographic criticized the series for those elements and its overexposure on Nickelodeon's schedule, with some of them even considering it the worst Nicktoon made at that time.cleanup thread first.

Do we have a consensus on Sean Paul? I thought he was a fairly obvious cut, but some people clearly disagree.

• Sean may not be hugely successful anymore on his own, but he's still done well with his many features. I don't recall anyone hating on him, TBH, and I'm sure everyone remembers how massive "Get Busy" and "Temperature" were.
• Rocket Power isn't forgotten or hated at all. It's always been on Nick's classic '90s block and people talk fondly about it. If college newspapers are writing articles about it, then it's obvious it's still loved. Even if it tends to get overshadowed by Nick's other classic shows, it's still going strong to this day.
• Where should 3OH!3 go, music, rock, or hip-hop? Since Wikipedia classifies them first and foremost as an electronic act, I'd say the regular music page fits them best.

edited 13th Jul '16 7:48:00 PM by LaptopGuy

Should I check the Anime And Manga section for any examples to clean out, or is someone already doing it?

I made a cursory pass through it a while ago, but it could probably use a deeper look

Well, to begin with, the last line for the Bleach example is "These days, it's still fairly popular in English-speaking areas, but the fanbase is nowhere near as big as it used to be." To me that reads as if it disqualifies itself.

Seconded.

Removed it.

Sean Paul? I might consider it if his version of "Cheap Thrills" wasn't being blasted on the airwaves as we speak.

For what it's worth, this is the justification used to keep him:

• While Detective Conan is still fairly popular in its native Japan (and has small followings in some other countries), its American fanbase has all but given up on it due to increasing suspicions its Myth Arc will never truly be resolved. The fact that all legal dvds of it there are out of print does not help. The manga is still being released on an uneven schedule, though.

If it's still popular in Japan, then does it automatically cut this example from the list? Seems like it.

I'm not sure. It can be a regional thing (like how a One-Hit Wonder may have more hits in a different country).

Speaking of one-hit wonders, MAGIC! (the Canadian band behind "Rude") was listed on the music page a while ago, but their entry was removed on the grounds that it's too early to call. Does anyone agree?

So it's claiming that the song is successful in spite of him, not because of him.

But clearly he's not a detriment, because there's a version of the song without him and the version with him (anecdotally) gets a lot more play time.

Not to mention the lyric video with Sean Paul has three times the views as the performance version without him. Granted, there are other variables (the Sean Paul ver. did get posted earlier, and the videos are different), but it's clearly not a detriment.

edited 14th Jul '16 1:01:23 PM by Larkmarn