Yandere Simulator.

Dev talks about organized crime.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

So you can make Yandere-chan into a Human Trafficker. That's scary.

The whole matchmaking thing is beginning to look a little out of place with all the increasingly violent options of disposing of your rivals.

grah

I disagree. If you remember, Yandere-chan's approach to eliminating her rivals is supposed to cover a wide spectrum of moral possibilities; the matchmaking method would logically be placed near the morally good end of that spectrum, while all the violent options would be closer to the morally bad end.

Honestly speaking, I had been imagining something like this idea ever since I saw that video where he talked about incorporating a full-fledged fighting system and allow Yandere-chan to pit herself against hired thugs of the local crime groups for one reason or the other. It has my approval.

That being said, I would also like it if Yakuza-nii could used to Pay Evil unto Evil by having him assist with "handling" criminals that are hindering Yandere-chan's plans, such as the loan shark that has Kokona's dad in debt (among many others). Instead of Yandere-chan kidnapping the loan shark's daughter and threatening her, you could have Yakuza-nii himself either do that, or directly visit the guy and politely "persuade" him into forgetting about the debts of his clients while reminding him that Yakuza-Nii's willingness to tolerate his existence in the town is the only reason he made it so far, or just straight-up murdering the guy and covering it up as a tragic accident.

Hell, if a fully-fledged town does eventually get implemented, why limit Yakuza-nii's payment options to the dead bodies of innocent people from school? After all, the Yakuza would likely care not from where the organs come from, so long as said organs are viable. And the Yakuza are not a monolithic group; they're comprised of many gangs, each of whom claims their own turf. If Yandere-chan manages to use her cunning to kill off people from rival gangs to Yakuza-nii's group, I'd imagine he'd appreciate her hitting two birds with one stone... and it would be a logical way for Yandere-chan to achieve a Pragmatic Hero / Unscrupulous Hero ending where she's shown to avoid the use of violence and other immoral means of conflict resolution against anyone but Asshole Victims (effectively becoming a mix of Batman and the Punisher).

edited 1st Aug '17 5:45:33 AM by MarqFJA

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Pragmatic Villainy.

edited 1st Aug '17 6:10:00 AM by Grounder

When it comes to elimination methods, the least "damaging" methods are matchmaking, expelling rivals through rumors/dark secret reveals, and making Sempai hate the rival. Everything else has someone being harmed or killed for Yan-chan's goal. Meanwhile, the other "motally sound" option besides matchmaking, befriending, involves hurting a third party to solve the rival's troubles.

It's very telling that even matchmaking is framed less as Yandere-chan not wanting to kill and more like she's being practical about not dirtying her hands. The backstory she has makes most of what she does pragmatical instead of moral.

On the video itself, though, I can't help but wonder, are there any limitations to the first favor? Because if there isn't, I could hold on to it until the end and trivialize Megami by having her kidnapped for free. It wouldn't break the game or anything, but boy, talk about an Anti-Climax Boss.

Frankly, I wouldn't want Megami to be so easily disposed. She is implied to be the literal perfect student, and then there's her Dad being mysterious among secondary characters.

You either kill her or make Senpai hate her guts, there's no other way about it.(ideally) Say, you try sending Yakuza-nii at her, and then the next day you get his head in the mail/in the footlocker. Either that or she sends her own Yakuza at you. :v

grah

Hey, who said that dealing with Megami with the yakuza would be easy as that? Like if you wanted to get rid of her that way, you would probably have to plan way ahead before she even enters the school so that you can get enough "payment method" to convince the yakuza to deal with her.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

I'd actually like Megami to be a "think outside of the box" type of rival for non-lethal methods. Lethal methods and framing are more difficult in her week because of cameras and the zero tolerance policy, so the non-lethal methods should also be ramped up in difficulty.

Like, because she knows about a Yandere being after Sempai and has knowingly made herself a target, befriending or matchmaking her requires more stealth and manipulation since she distrusts not only her suitor but any girl who approaches her during her week (unless you join the student council?). Rumors or her dark secret would be unbelievable since she's so popular and beloved, so you'd have to have evidence (real or fabricated, like with framing) and even then she'd take less of a hit to her reputation. Finally, unlike other rivals, she wouldn't talk about her daily plans with Sempai so openly, so sabotage would require talking to/stalking her friends for info instead of Megami herself (or maybe stealing her phone for text conversations).

edited 1st Aug '17 11:16:28 AM by DemonDamian

While I don't disagree that this is what Yandere-chan's rationalization would be like at first, the planned existence of several Multiple Endings depending on how you progress the plot (with elimination methods being one factor out of many) makes me think that Dev might introduce a "Golden Ending" of sorts for those players who manage the herculean task of not only always resorting to the least immoral / most moral means of eliminating Yandere-chan's rivals (notwithstanding "necessary evils" like kidnapping Musume to threaten her loan shark of a father... assuming there's no morally better option to solve that subplot in the final game), but have Yandere-chan actively go out of her way to do actually good things like matchmaking completely unrelated characters, sending Senpai nice gifts for no particular reason, and so on so forth; in such an ending, I envision that Yandere-chan is shown to have actually developed a moral compass of sorts (perhaps based on Senpai's own, showing that he had an actual, positive influence over her Character Development) that goes beyond cold-hearted, self-centered pragmatism.

Good point. Perhaps this could be solved by an indirect time-limit, where if the favor isn't used after a certain amount of days (or at least, by the time Megami debuts), a scripted event will happen that will essentially force the player to use said favor lest they suffer a Game Over.

Or, alternatively, Yakuza-nii would take one look at the picture of who Yandere-chan wants him to "deal" with, go wide-eyed with shock, and promptly tell her "Oh no. Not her. Anyone else would've been fine, but her? Sorry, can't do it... <smirks> but I could, however, try to dig up info on her. For a price. <turns grim-faced> It's not going to be cakewalk even for me, though, so the price is going to be steep. Oh, and one more thing. <looks Yandere-chan in the eye> I don't know what you did to piss this girl off, but I do hope it's worth whatever it is that stand to gain at the end of whatever it is that you're doing."

I like. I like this a lot. Did you send it to Dev or put it in a comment on the video yet?

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In other news, I commented on the Yakuza video a few hours ago, posting pretty much all of my previously mentioned relevant suggestions... and within a single hour it not only broke past double digits (a first for me; I'm not sure if any comment I ever made broke past single digits, come to think of it), but it reached all the way to 200+ likes! O_O I feel happy and embarrassed at all this attention and humbled and OMG I did not expect this what do I do???

edited 1st Aug '17 3:15:52 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

In the end game, it will turn out Senpai is an even bigger Yandere then Yandere Chan is, as a sort of Ironic Hell ffor what she does to everyone in order to get him.

Basically, it would be a Ryuuko and Hagurou Dou situation.

edited 25th Aug '17 9:13:41 AM by Demongodofchaos2

Watch Symphogear

YanDev talks about how seriously you should take the game (it deals with dark subject matters, but has a light-sided sense of humor, like a Dating Sim gone wrong), and offers "Lovesick mode" for people who want a more serious game experience (no joke Engrish names, memes or debug commands). Whether it will be something you can choose from the start, an unlockable, or just a bunch of options in settings is still to be decided.

Oh, and new ways to get favors from Info-chan that doesn't require panty-shots (find out secrets or get blackmail material for her).

edited 1st Sep '17 11:38:01 PM by DemonDamian

I gotta say, dunno about just choosing between YanSim and LoveSick.

I feel like a middle ground would be good. Read, slight seriousness, no memery, but still a goofy style to it.

Long live the New Bev.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with splitting the difference. Call it "Lovesick", keep the player-controlled atmosphere, ditch the joke names and memes, add in that new info-gathering method.

I still don't understand Yandev's obsession with the "Lovesick" name.

Yes, it's a good name, but it's too late by now.

People are just going to call it Yandere Simulator.

The problem with Lovesick mode is that the permanent colour filter would be terrible for a stealth game. How can you tell who's who when you can't tell people apart?

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Honestly the problem I have with LoveSick is the permanent atmosphere. I always liked the subtle melting away of the "cute girl dating sim" facade when shit gets serious. I feel like immediate shitty atmosphere kinda kills that.

Long live the New Bev.

He's explained that he wants the game to be treated like a legitimate game. The "[*subject*] Simulator" naming scheme is associated with gag games that're sold as Pewdiebait (Surgeon Simulator, Goat Simulator, etc.) as far as the mass public conscious goes.

While there will be some doofy elements in the final product, like the easter eggs, he doesn't want people thinking that's all it is.

edited 3rd Sep '17 12:02:01 PM by Kytseo

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

My only gripe is with the possibility that the Yakuza would be limited to 1980's Mode.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

edited 30th Sep '17 1:06:27 PM by TPPR10

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Hooooooooooooly shit.

That was a rollercoaster.

I'm Huney B now. Okay?

...Huh.

It's been a while since I've found anything in this game legitimately scary. Still, Musume is quite the idiot. You don't insult and belittle the person who quite literally decides if you live or die. This only works because Kokona is desperate and pushed over the edge and Musume has no self-preservation instinct.

With that in mind, this elimination method might actually be rival-specific, since it requires the murder victim and the rival to have certain personalities. I don't see Mida or Megami being tricked into murder, while Osoro might do it by accident and someone innocent like Amai can be pushed or broken to do it.

Still, I liked the video, let's see if/how it translates to the actual game.