Just a Face and a Caption: Chaotic Neutral

An image was added to the page without discussion. Apparently it's one of the demon lords from the Elder Scrolls series, known as the eldritch prince of trickery or madness or something (I'm not too versed in scrolls lore). There is nothing that indicates any of that. It's just a guy.

Ew. Pull it, then kill it. Then burn the remains.

Just a face of some guy. Pull.

Burn that to the ground.

I'm a fifth very strong pull vote.

It's okay, guys, it's off the page now. It'll be alright.

edited 22nd Aug '13 11:31:51 AM by Telcontar

Do we even want to try to find a good page image or shall I lock this up now? I don't have a clue how to image this without it being JAFAAC.

edited 22nd Aug '13 11:44:09 AM by Madrugada

Considering that it explicitly talks about the "well known alignment system" (Which one?) I would really consider leaving this imageless, but tagged so that we don't end up in an edit war.

Character Alignment pages with images:

• Lawful Good
• Chaotic Good
• Lawful Neutral
• True Neutral
• Lawful Evil
• Chaotic Evil

It can be done, for at least some of them. I wouldn't mind a lock right now, but we could also leave this open for a day. Though goodness knows I don't have any image suggestions.

edited 22nd Aug '13 11:47:24 AM by Telcontar

About the only way I can see this being pic'ed is with someone saying something that establishes them as the alignment, and in that case, unless what's happening around that person is eye-catching, I say make it a quote. On that note, I'm really not crazy about the current quote.

Also: Didn't one of the alignment pages used to have the honest/dishonest quote from Capt. Jack Sparrow or am I remembering that from another page?

edited 22nd Aug '13 1:11:41 PM by Willbyr

Chaotic Neutral used to have that quote, Beware the Honest Ones still does, and Reliable Traitor has a line from it.

Cool. It definitely works for Beware the Honest Ones.

I'd say Jack◊ works as well for this as the other Character Alignment pages pics do on theirs.

A pirate [1]◊ [2]◊ [3]◊ works at least as well for this as the picture on Chaotic Good for it's page. Not that I'd call the image on CG bad, but you have to be aware of the story of Robin Hood. On the other hand pirates in general are known for doing whatever the hell they like and damn the consequences.

That is going to need a caption to work.

Uh pirates murder, rape, and pillage. Not to get into an alignment debate but that seems pretty Evil to me. ("I didn't say we aren't fun, but fun or not, pirates are still the baddies.") Any way you slice it, pirates are certainly not emblematic of Chaotic Neutral.

Robin Hood, on the other hand, is quintessentially Chaotic Good, and is on the short list of Universally Recognizable Characters. Also, once again, the caption helps: it says he breaks the law to help people, which is perfect, in very Robin Hoodey terms.

You have to have seen at least one of the Pirates of the Carribean movies to understand why Jack Sparrow is an example. You don't have to have read The Adventures of Robin Hood for that image to work.

I agree that CN should remain imageless (unless someone suggests something good), but think CG is fine. So is Lawful Good (Superman is also on The List, and check out the pose), Lawful Evil (ditto), Lawful Neutral ("tough but fair" police officer is totally LN... I have never seen any movies or read any comics that feature Judge Dredd, and think it's fine), True Neutral, and Lawful Evil (Vader is List material also, and even if he wasn't, an evil leader of soldiers is totally LE). Those page images vary from mediocre to fantastic, and they are all strong K'UBIS I think.

(Also, The List is intentionally not codified, but it's characters like Jesus, Batman, Mickey Mouse... That bar is really high.)

edited 11th Sep '13 6:30:55 PM by rodneyAnonymous

If I remember correctly, A Motivational Poster of Jack Sparrow saying that line used to be the image a few years ago. It was pulled for being a meme picture and JAFAAC, back when the site went on the crusade to eliminate those problems. It was agreed that most of the other pages have characters who are iconic enough for the majority of the world to instantly recognize, and the pages that don't have images either don't have anyone iconic enough, or the debate was too intense to prove that they should qualify.

It's not that they're iconic enough for Just A Face And A Caption to be okay, most of them (except RH) are Not Actually JAFAAC.

Didn't we establish ages ago that (mostly for the tropes themselves, but logically for images of purported examples as well) Character Alignment and its associated tropes are only for cases where the work actually, literally, assigns them such an alignment? (Such as "The wizard Foozle was identified as Chaotic Evil in module QE 2, and demonstrated this by killing numerous puppies....")

That was to ensure that people didn't subjectively misuse the tropes. If the images also applied to that rule, then we wouldn't have Super Man as Lawful Good and The Joker as Chaotic Evil. Nowhere in the DC universe were they ever assigned a D&D alignment.

edited 18th Sep '13 3:29:03 PM by DRCEQ

That's not true, actually. In the official D&D adaptation of the DCU, Supes is LG. (Can't find an online source.)

Feh, I figured there would probably be a crossover sooner or later.

Someone who looks sufficiently insane might work, but I'm not sure what it would take to actually make it work.

What alignment is Batman◊?

edited 18th Sep '13 8:34:15 PM by AnotherDuck

Mutable Shrug.

A year or two ago, I don't believe we did have images of Superman for Lawful Good or the Joker for Chaotic Evil. And the reason we didn't was precisely for the reasons stated in this thread - that it's subjective.

Does anyone else remember this? It seems to me that there was either a policy shift, or people stopped paying close attention and let those slip through.

FWIW, I'm 99% certain there was never any official D&D alignment for Superman and other DC characters, primarily because their RPG rights were with different companies than D&D's. Some of the DC RP Gs did/do have alignments, but their own, not the D&D spectrum.

EDIT: After a search, I found that the LG image was selected in this thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1335858838003182100&page=1

I personally think it was an incorrect call, but I wasn't around for that conversation.

edited 22nd Sep '13 3:39:44 PM by suedenim

Clock is set.