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Ambiguous Name (new crowner 8/26/13): All The Myriad Ways get usage counts

 1 Larkmarn, Sat, 17th Aug '13 7:55:25 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
The trope is basically "Our universe is the only one that matters (so Status Quo Is God doesn't apply in an Alternate Universe)." However, it winds getting use as just Alternate Universe or For Want of a Nail in regards to other universes.

The name itself, poignant as it is, really doesn't do anything to make it clear that it's about alternate universes being consequence-free.

Wicks: Adventure Games: Used for multiple endings, which I don't think counts. Adventure Time: Not sure, but I think correct? It's claiming that in one timeline, the heroes must've failed their quest. Age Without Youth: Correct? It's an odd, real-life example. Akashic Records: Just used to mean Alternate Universe. Alone Together: Incorrect. It's saying that the people in the Alternate Universe aren't the same as in the primary universe, not that it wouldn't matter if they died or not. Alternate Universe: Correct, of course. Literature/Anathem: Not really any context, but the description makes no mentions of an alternate universe. And Another Thing...: Correct Angst? What Angst?: Correct Another Earth: Correct

Of the first 10: 4 correct, 3 incorrect, 2 probably correct, one probably incorrect. I will do more and keep you updated.

 2 nrjxll, Sat, 17th Aug '13 8:20:30 PM Relationship Status: Not war
"Our universe is the only one that matters (so Status Quo Is God doesn't apply in an Alternate Universe)."

Actually, I wouldn't be so quick to say this is the definition. The description is rather confusing (and also rather bloated).

 3 Larkmarn, Sat, 17th Aug '13 8:31:39 PM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
That's true. It's just the definition I got based on the redirects, quote, laconic, and on-page examples. But you bring up a good point. Either way, the description should be clarified.

edited 17th Aug '13 8:42:43 PM by Larkmarn

 4 Rethkir, Sat, 17th Aug '13 9:58:34 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
The trope seems to be that consequences don't matter in alternate universes because it doesn't affect our universe. It's sort of the opposite of Save Both Worlds, because who cares about the other universes? It won't affect anyone in this universe. It's like nationalism for a universe. That is why we are Universe A. Either way, this could use a rename. I don't get the current name.

It's named after a short story that pointed it out.

 6 Rethkir, Sat, 17th Aug '13 10:24:03 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
It has a short article on Wikipedia: All the Myriad Ways I don't think a trope should have the same name as a work. The story shares an interesting bit of philosophy, but the doesn't help illustrate the trope to the uninformed. And if we don't even have a page for a work, we can't expect anyone to be familiar with it or understand the name.

Which is why tropes named after works are trouble.

Excellent Adventure is another one I'd look into.

 8 Spark 9, Sun, 18th Aug '13 2:16:24 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
So this trope is basically "What Measure Is A parallel dimension", similar to What Measure Is a Non-Human? etc?
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 9 Septimus Heap, Sun, 18th Aug '13 2:17:03 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Seems like so.

 10 Rethkir, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:16:39 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Indeed. That's a possible name, or at least a working title. It's surprisingly fitting.

Also, I agree that Excellent Adventure needs a rename for the same reason as this.

edited 18th Aug '13 4:19:58 AM by Rethkir

 11 Spark 9, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:36:05 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
I agree with renaming, and repurposing this name with a page for the actual work.

(edit) and yes, Excellent Adventure also needs a rename. Aside from the reasons above, it's a 24-year-old movie and I doubt most people now would understand what the title means.

edited 18th Aug '13 4:37:10 AM by Spark9

Special trousers. Very heroic.
 12 Septimus Heap, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:37:09 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I agree with a rename, but I disagree with repurposing this page - it's in the wrong namespace.

 13 Spark 9, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:40:23 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Yeah, that's true. It could perhaps redirect, I think we have many works where the main namespace redirects to the proper namespace. I don't consider this a very high priority.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 14 Rethkir, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:41:39 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Literature.All The Myriad Ways is the one we want.

The current page will likely be cutlisted.

Dragon Writer
What Measure Is Another Dimension or somesuch could work. Not terribly great due to the snowclone but definitely better than current.
 16 Rethkir, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:51:19 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Yeah, it is a snowclone, but it's not shoehorned. It applies very well and explains the trope laconically.

 17 Septimus Heap, Sun, 18th Aug '13 4:52:46 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I kind of oppose it as it has a completely different alphabetization.

 18 Rethkir, Sun, 18th Aug '13 5:09:44 AM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
There are actually 5 redirects already, mostly unused. They are all better than the current.
Anyone Can Die in Other Universes On 0 page(s).
What Measure Is an Alternate Reality? On 1 page(s).
Who Cares About Alternate Dimensions? On 0 page(s).
Who Cares About Alternate Timelines? On 0 page(s).
Who Cares About Alternate Universes? On 0 page(s).

 19 Spark 9, Sun, 18th Aug '13 5:16:38 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
Nice, except the "Anyone Can Die" snowclone, because that's a wholly different trope.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 20 Septimus Heap, Sun, 18th Aug '13 5:21:53 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think it's time for a rename crowner. Oh, and since the description is unclear, I rewrote it in All the Myriad Ways.

 21 Larkmarn, Sun, 18th Aug '13 9:48:23 AM Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
I like Expendable Alternate Universe.

Obviously I'm for a rename.

 22 StarSword, Sun, 18th Aug '13 6:28:10 PM from somewhere in deep space Relationship Status: In denial
SF-81A Black Knight
[up]Awesome. Go with Expendable Alternate Universe. It's way shorter than the Stargate SG-1 Trope Namer I had in mind.

edited 18th Aug '13 6:30:33 PM by StarSword

 23 nrjxll, Sun, 18th Aug '13 6:35:41 PM Relationship Status: Not war
I'm also for a rename.

 24 Rethkir, Sun, 18th Aug '13 8:23:07 PM from the gap between dimensions Relationship Status: Singularity
Crowner. I already hollered for a hook. I grouped the snowclone families into single votes, since the differences are mostly trivial and can be decided later, if that is voted for.

And I just opened a thread on Excellent Adventure.

edited 18th Aug '13 8:32:06 PM by Rethkir

 25 Willbyr, Sun, 18th Aug '13 8:35:07 PM from North Little Rock, AR Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
With Mod Hat On
Crowner's hooked.

Alternative Titles: All The Myriad Ways
18th Aug '13 8:12:54 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
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