First Installment and Franchise separation

Yes. It works.

I think its needlessly confusing; nor do I see any reason to have a separate page for superman-the-movie-franchise. (Versus, of course, the main Franchise.Superman, which covers all his various incarnations.)

edited 27th Apr '13 11:05:23 PM by Xtifr

There isn't going to be a Reeve-verse Superman page. Only a separate page for the first film.

Also, how about we do some wick cleaning. I'll list all the stuff I've separated so far:

• VideoGame.Super Mario Bros 1 from VideoGame.Super Mario Bros
• VideoGame.Sonic The Hedgehog 1 from VideoGame.Sonic The Hedgehog
• VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda I from VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda
• VideoGame.Chaos Rings I from VideoGame.Chaos Rings
• VideoGame.Mega Man Classic from VideoGame.Mega Man

I still think the page for SMB1 should be called "Super Mario Bros. 1985", and the page for Sonic 1 should be called "Sonic the Hedgehog 1991".

I'm only following any trends in the first few sequels. Roman numeral sequels get "I", while Arabic numeral sequels get 1.

VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts and Franchise.Kingdom Hearts. Move to VideoGame.Kingdom Hearts I?

I'm good with that.

Any other problems come up during the earlier Wiki/Forum issue that still need fixing?

Are you helping with Wick Cleanup, Irene? Doing Wick Cleanup alone is hard work.

I've honestly been really busy lately.

I'm pretty bad at redirects, which is why I was letting you successfully do them so I don't screw it up. Sorry. >_<

Did the separation. Will also add to separations list in the OP.

WesternAnimation.Ben 10 and Franchise.Ben 10 is an odd case. Main.Ben10 redirects to WesternAnimation.Ben 10, but Main would normally redirect to Franchise for disambiguation. What should we do with it?

edited 30th Apr '13 4:18:54 PM by WaxingName

Either remove the Main or having it redirect to Franchise.

I chose to redirect it to franchise.

So, should I move WesternAnimation.Ben 10 elsewhere or keep it where it is?

Keep it where it is.

Wait, why? What makes it better kept there instead of moved to another name?

Ben 10 itself is initially Western Animation. There's more than one version which should all have their own Western Animation entries(not counting anything from another media, as in the shows).

The franchise itself doesn't need to redirect to the actual first Show either.

It's been a while, but I found another one VideoGame.Mortal Kombat and Franchise.Mortal Kombat.

Should I move it to VideoGame.Mortal Kombat 1 or VideoGame.Mortal Kombat I?

VideoGame.Mortal Kombat I to match up with the second game.

edited 24th May '13 2:39:05 PM by Irene

That won't match the second game, which uses II. It would match the third, fourth, and ninth games, though.

I actually wrote that wrong when using my phone. I was slightly tired today. Fixed.

Hmm, I might lean towards lining up with more games than just two, so I'm leaning towards the Arabic numeral, but I'm still open to feedback.

edited 25th May '13 6:14:44 PM by WaxingName

That's it; I'm going move it to VideoGame.Mortal Kombat 1. I'll put up Mortal Kombat I as a redirect, though.

Wick cleanup help, which will be noted in the OP, will still be appreciated.

I don't see the need of having a Frachise/ page more often than not (three installments a franchise does not make, you're a franchise when other developers start making installments for you or otherwise find a way to leech off your success)

Now, I can understand something like Donkey Kong 94, when Donkey Kong game boy and Donkey Kong Arcade and all ports of it have the same name but Legend Of Zelda I? Paper Mario 64? The games are not called that so it seems silly to create a page for it with a different name. Whatever "convenience" a franchise page brings to me seems more simplified by simple cross whicking. Furthermore, now that name spaces are in and the goal is to make their use second nature, the use of title modifiers should be the artifact here, not the use of name spaces.

To a lesser extent, the franchise pages seem like a nice experiment but something not really needed anymore. It seems like a real easy way to save on server space by just putting all tropes on one page and then splitting off sequel pages and cross wicking as they grow too big

You are ignoring all the pages for works with multiple (and not just two) media. "First medium privilege" does only go so far; and often, the main franchise title is derived from a specific work, causing namespace collisions.