Misused: What Do You Mean Its For Kids

'Not For Kids' is already a cliche in real life that calling something that is for kids but also appeals to adults seems inappropriate. I instead suggest Not Just For Kids.

Not Just For Kids strikes me as Periphery Demographic, if not outright Parental Bonus.

EDIT: And... I've just read the description and am on the verge of just moving it to the discussion page unilaterally. (The Quote and the Pic jive with each other and what I thought the Trope is about, but the Descript. is 50% "Former Target Demographic becomes a Periphery Demographic" and 50% What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids?.)

edited 13th Apr '13 2:19:15 PM by DonaldthePotholer

Not a big fan of Mistaken For Kid Friendly, if only because it's replacing one snowclone with another. Not saying it's necessarily bad, just saying.

Minor update @Septimus. The draft discussion has settled on Mature Childrens' Work. Working on hammering out a description and gathering examples.

@52: The names Not Just For Kids and Just Not For Kids occured to me after reading that. Not necessarily great but at least the difference in emphasis is a bit more clear.

I think we agreed that names like that have the potential to suffer the same snow-clone problem.

edited 14th Apr '13 8:06:58 AM by shoboni

Are You Sure This Is For Kids is basically "a work is marketed towards children" but often has "subjects like drugs and sex will be implied but not explicitly stated, adding an extra dimension to the book for adults who understand these things." It even contradicts itself right after saying that by saying that "that isn't always the case." This is basically what we are talking about for Mature Childrens Work, but ambiguous (i.e. saying ""[this is the trope] but not always, and what we already said two sentences ago isn't always the case either," which means that it is and is not what the description says).

This page says it isn't a trope, but its description says "when this trope applies."

The ambiguity in Are You Sure This Is For Kids obviously needs fixing (unless we get rid of it), but half of What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? already covers Are You Sure This Is For Kids.

I frickin' dislike these verbose For Kids tropes.......

edited 14th Apr '13 4:32:45 PM by DunDun

I'd say kill that one and move the examples to the new trope we're launching, it' just seems like a more restrictive version of it.

edited 14th Apr '13 4:39:41 PM by shoboni

Commence with the killing of Are You Sure This Is For Kids immediately!!!

The YKTTW just keeps identifying more tropes in this whole family that need help. Misaimed Marketing should be renamed Misaimed Merchandising or something similar.

I agree, the current name makes the trope sound broader than it is.

edited 16th Apr '13 10:58:38 AM by shoboni

It's a bit unorthodox, but we've done this before for the Everythings Better With Animals snowclone family... how about we have a Page Action crowner with a number of options to "rename trope X to Y" and "rename trope A to B" to deal with this particular group of related issues?

That could work.

Agree.

In other news, we're on the second draft of a description for Mature Childrens Work.

edited 16th Apr '13 4:53:36 PM by StarSword

Before making the crowner, do we agree on each page's meaning?

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Didactic? - Overanalysis
• What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids? - Mistaken for a kids' show
  • What Do You Mean, It's Not for Little Girls? - A subtrope of "mistaken for a kids show," featuring animated female characters
• What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? - No meaning, we're splitting this into valid pages
• What Do You Mean, It's Not Political? - Seeing a political allegory where none exists
• What Do You Mean, It Wasn't Made on Drugs? - This show feels trippy

Yes, except that For Little Girls is also multiple things mixed up into one page.

I'd support moving all its examples into our Mistaken For Kids Show and Mature Kids Show articles. Little Girls currently confusingly contains examples of both those.

Also, Didactic seems to be duplicated by Everyone Is Jesus in Purgatory.

Yeah, they really are the same thing. Except Didactic seems to contain less misuse. A lot of Jesus In Purgatory is examples of how works may symbolize Jesus or purgatory.

Unsurprissingly, with a name like that. That's one of the tropes that I see all the time and I always have to think back on what on earth it's supposed to mean.

OK, this is getting quite chaotic. May we first decide what to do with What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and then the remaining "What Do You Mean Blah" stuff?

The plan is as follows,

• Move examples of "show with adult content mistaken for a child show" to What Do You Mean, It's Not for Kids??
• Move examples of "child show that has adult fans" to Periphery Demographic.
• Move examples of "adult fans of a child show take offense at it being called a child show" to Fandom Berserk Button.
• Move examples of "kids show from the past that is no longer suitable to kids now" to Values Dissonance
• Move examples of "show marketed at kids or rated for-kids that has content not suitable for kids" to this YKTTW.
• At this point there should be no examples left, so turn this page into a disambig.

I am on the board with that.

I have one question about the YKTTW though: What is the definition of "Not suitable for children"? That is usually heavily subjected to Values Dissonance and I am worried it will turn into something like Getting Crap Past the Radar if not tended.

That is relevant but please discuss that on the YKTTW board.

I'm down with that.