The Scrappy Cleanup

If they both have notable fanbases, then they should be cut.

Yeah. While you can't really demonstrate hatred by placing low on a popularity poll, you can demonstrate popularity with a popularity poll.If they place reasonably high there, they're not The Scrappy, assuming the poll is representantive enough.

Both of those results were from major official polls in which the majority of fans voted in.

Come to think of it, have we seen proof that Hans and Iago are hated enough to qualify?

FE 6 Merlinus is also questionable as he similarly fared well in polls.

edited 21st Mar '18 3:04:15 PM by Monsund

I never got the impression that Merlinus was ever hated by the vast majority of fans, per say, just that his personality in Binding Blade was a bit surprising for people who only knew him through Blazing Blade. I definitely don't think Merlinus is a Scrappy.

Ok, then we might consider cutting Merlinus.

Matthis of Archanea is kind of odd as he may be a HateSink. His conversations in the second DS remake do emphasize his incompetence and laziness.

Makalov of Tellius has many detractors, but he also seems to have some dedicated fans and is liked for his performance. So he might be just a base breaking character.

Yukimaru, I don't know enoughabout to say anything in favor of keeping or cutting.

Maybe the Fire Emblem scrappy page is a cut?

I've certainly advocated for just cutting the whole page before, since I think most of those entries were added before we became stricter on who does and who doesn't count.

Matthis...I don't remember Matthis all that well, but the entry reads like it's trying to portray FAQ writers as somehow being representative of the whole fanbase, which I highly doubt they are. I say cut unless concrete evidence of a massive hatedom is presented.

Makalov is a character I myself don't particular like, but I don't exactly hate him and I don't know how many people actually does. The entry reads a bit too much like Die for Our Ship, and I would also like more concrete evidence of a massive hatedom.

Yukimura, I suspect, was added due to scoring last on a popularity poll for the male characters of Fates. We've already established that scoring low on a popularity poll doesn't mean the character is hated, just that not too many people consider them their #1 character. I'm not too sure how many people actually hate Yukimura, to be honest.

edited 23rd Mar '18 12:07:13 PM by dragonfire5000

Well, Matthis is a Tier Induced Scrappy and people do low-key dislike his jerkish traits. That said, the games clearly portray him as a loser.

I think the only unintentionally disliked aspect of him is him attacking Lena and Julian with wild abandon.

RE: Dragonfire 5000

Fans tend to mock Matthis, but then again that might be the point of his characterization. In Japan, the scene of him accidentally killing his sister is a meme. So probably cut.

Most of the hatred I've seen for Makalov is about him ending up with Astrid in Radiant Dawn, either because of alternative pairings or just thinking they go together.

So Yukimaru looks to be just unpopular, rather then hated.

RE: R Alexa21th

Matthis attacking his sister prior to his recruitment is also a meme enjoyed in Japan.

edited 21st Mar '18 4:07:17 PM by Monsund

So yeah, not seeing the massive hatedom required for The Scrappy. A character can be frequently mocked but not actually hated, so Matthis seems like a cut.

Makalov's entry still kind of reads like Die for Our Ship. Would still like to know if all those haters actually make up a vast majority, but his entry seems like a cut as well.

Yukimura I say cut. No evidence he's actually hated by a huge amount of people, just that he's not as popular as the other male characters are.

RE: Dragonfire 5000

No Accounting for Taste is frequently brought up in the fandom on Makalov, but in general I don't think people hate him that much.

Guess everyone on the FE page is a cut.

edited 21st Mar '18 6:57:58 PM by Monsund

I found a lot of entrees on the Fallout 3 page that probably need review.

• Sticky, due to how chatty he is.
• Cromwell, if only for having to listen to his wailing whenever you want to visit your Megaton house. Given that his cult has turned into fanatically Ax-Crazy disciples in 4, his status towards this trope has now become more justified.
• Many Jerkass characters in Fallout 3 get understandable hatred, especially Colin Moriarty, Doc Church, and Knight Captain Durga.
• Amata has gained quite a bit of hatred from fans because she exiles you from the vault even after you let the overseer live twice, (unless, of course, you kill him), made her the overseer, and saved the vault from a war that would have destroyed them.
  • It could also be said that she is misblamed. Since Amata is now the de facto Overseer, if not de jure, she has to keep the tenuous peace the Vault now has from breaking out into another war and killing everyone in the Vault. To do so she has to kick out her best friend for years because the other Dwellers blame you for sending the Vault into chaos and won't enjoy having you back. If anyone's the asshole here, it's the other Vault Dwellers for choosing you to be their scapegoat as your father isn't around anymore to be the target of their hate.
• There are two reasons for why Roy Philips is here. For the first, go see Complete Monster above this, the second reason being that he gives negative Karma if you kill him, even after he's slaughtered the inhabitants of Tenpenny Tower which includes Herbert "Daring" Dashwood, who's the only one in the building who advocates for letting the ghouls in without you having to talk him into it.
• The anonymous Megaton villager who, once a day when you're outside in town, tells you how much everyone loves you and offers you a near-worthless item (though sometimes you'll get some basic ammo or a Stimpak.)
• Little Lamplight is incredibly annoying for most people; as opposed to most other Bethesda games where the children are mostly very sweet, Little Lamplight is filled to the brim with the most obnoxious, rude and ungrateful children, who in accordance with Bethesda's no-child-killing policy, you CANNOT KILL. Princess and Mayor McCready takes the cake, and their behavior has led to many a heartily insulted gamer going online to search for mortal-children mods for their game. The latter arguably more so, being the only gateway to a main quest location (Vault 87), making you take a round trip to Paradise Falls on a Rescue Mission if you don't pass a Speech check or have a useless-in-all-other-situations perk.
  • And you may as well consider that perk outright necessary, because otherwise you'll have to go to Paradise Falls and save those kids who were enslaved. Doing that mission isn't the problem; in fact it can be fun, righteous and cathartic to gun down evildoers and rescue children. The problem comes when you get back to Little Lamplight, because Mayor Mc Fuckface has left his post on the door, and now wanders around Little Lamplight at random. And there is no map marker to guide you to him. And Lamplight is broken up into several areas divided by loading screen. In short, if you don't have the Friend to All Children perk, be prepared to spend god knows how long running around Lamplight like an idiot looking for the little bastard just so you can turn the quest in and get to Vault 87.
  • Speaking of Little Lamplight, Biwwy is this to the other kids in-universe, as none of them can stand him due to his Elmuh Fudd Syndwome coupled with being hyperactive.
  • On the other hand, you may be able to convince him to give you his Wazer Wifle, one of the better energy weapons in the game.

The only one I'd outright agree on is Roy, since the game shills him as a good karma character despite being really friggin evil. Plus his questline is one a lot of people dislike.

RE: Fallout 3 examples

• Sticky, people seem to hate enough to make killing videos, however like the Adoring Fan of Oblivion, this is likely intentional.
• The anonymous Megaton villager gift mechanic: Certainly disliked, but more of a mechanic then a character.
• Killing Roy giving bad karma after taking over Tenpenny tower is likely an oversight, so I am unsure if he qualifies.

No thoughts on the rest.

edited 21st Mar '18 9:27:18 PM by Monsund

No idea about Sticky or Cromwell.

Many Jerkass characters... No. That's Hate Sink, with no further explanation.

Amata has that justifying edit which is far longer than the original entry. There's also that the act she's disliked for isn't something you should like her for to begin with. Cut.

Roy is a weird case. People hate him, but he's supposed to be hated the way I interpret the quest. The karma thing doesn't agree with the story. Might fit under Scrappy Mechanic, since that's what ultimately gets people. There's also that people who claim the moral high ground there also nuked Megaton, so whatever you say about Roy, your character is more evil. It might even be that killing him gives negative karma because just by being there you're an evil character, and as such negative karma is a reward, not a penalty.

Megaton villager is mosts definitely a Scrappy Mechanic. It's also amusing that people whine about free stuff.

I would also say the same for Little Lamplight, since they're meant to be obnoxious. What people are annoyed at is that they're not allowed to slaughter children because they're rude.

For Sticky, I think the reason people hate him is because his quest involves an Escort Mission and he is a Motor Mouth that never shuts up. Its pretty annoying, but if he's a scrappy is something I'm not sure of. He's disliked for sure.

Roy is weird because I think the reason people really hate him is that the karma system is really weird in 3 and New Vegas. Roy has good karma but is a really horrible person, and for people who play good karma character and wanted a peaceful solution, its a pretty frustrating thing to have the hard work you put in ruined because another character, one that if you exact revenge on, the game punishes you for. Plus Herbert "Daring" Dashwood is a fairly popular character, so I can see where the scrappy idea comes in. Scrappy mechanic fits for the karma system as a whole, but I certainly wouldn't disagree with him being put as one.

Amata I don't feel should be on there. She only exiles you because she knew you staying would cause a problem, and she can be 100% right if you do sabotage the vault. She has a degree of fans too, so she really doesn't fit.

Cromwell is more just an annoying character then he is a scrappy. I know his whole "Children of Atom" thing is a meme to a degree but he really isn't someone I've seen hate for.

Gut the megaton villager and Jerkass ones. ZCE.

As for Little Lamplight, they are annoying, but they are kids. The point was that they were supposed to be a bit annoying. Gut them.

So in total, I only really see Roy being a scrappy, but that's very debatable.

If it's "very debatable," you probably don't have a Scrappy.

To explain, Roy, his murderous nature is basically a Plot Twist.

The quest line begins with Roy seemingly wanting to get into the Tenpenny tower to improve the life of ghouls. While most of the residents of Tenpenny Tower are Hatesinks that irrationally hate ghouls(irradiated people). Basically a clear good vs evil option like most quests in Fallout 3.

Essentially when you help Roy, at first it seems like the typical good resolution with Ghouls and humans peacefully living in the tower, but if the player returns they'll find out Roy Phillips had the humans killed and took their stuff out of greed.

Anyhow in Fallout, all characters are set to good or evil with killing the former netting bad karma. Roy, like many quest NP Cs is set to Good Karma. This was probably also done as not to spoil the pot twist, as the quest from the evil NP Cs in Tenpenny tower involves killing Roy.

Basically short version, its more of a Scrappy Mechanic with the Karma Meter setting everyone to Good or Evil. Roy killing the nice residents of Tenpenny tower to take over is intended by the writers to be a Moral E Vent Horizon, its just the Karma meter doesn't update.

edited 22nd Mar '18 11:38:01 AM by Monsund

And another one from YMMV / Ultimate X-Men: Magician. Don't remember him? Nobody can blame you: he starred in a single arc. And, although the project itself is an alternate version of mainstream Marvel comics, this specific character is an original one.

For me, it sounds as too obscure to be "hated" in the fandom. He's not beloved either, he's just largely ignored. I have searched in google and the only things I have found are lists of characters, episode recaps and similar stuff; not people's opinion about the character. Even the entry here sounds like someone shoehorning it to personally complain about the character rather than report an actual audience reaction: "Magician, who was intended as a satire of the Mary Sue but instead just ended up becoming an obnoxious Villain Sue Karma Houdini"

If that's the entire content of the entry it should probably be cut for lacking context alone.

From Kill Zone

The first two entries need to be cut. Rico is mentioned in Rescued from the Scrappy Heap and the ISA is disqualified due to being a group (and one of them is mentioned as Ensemble Dark Horse).

The Scrappy still applies since Rescued from the Scrappy Heap is from a later game.

Removed, also axed Sinclair since, as part of the Big Bad Ensemble, it doesn't seem unintentional.

I don't think one person should be listed as a scrappy and rescued in a single page.

Many pages, especially for game series and less troped franchises, have several works on the same page. One character can easily fit a few contradictory tropes in those cases.

However, reading the page, Rico's certainly debatable, in particular considering his entry under Creator's Pet. It might be more appropriate for that thread, but that specifically points out the third game which also has the Rescued from the Scrappy Heap bit. Those are not compatible, since they're from the same game, and singular games aren't released over time like TV series. As such the work needs to be considered in whole.

Does anyone know more about it?

Rico was introduced in the first game. The Rescued from the Scrappy Heap happens in the third game.

First game is irrelevant to what I mentioned, and obvious to anyone checking the page. There I've heard nothing that says he's not The Scrappy.

What I'm talking about is the third game, since that, as I mentioned, has him both under Rescued from the Scrappy Heap and Creator's Pet. Creator's Pet requires The Scrappy, but if he's Rescued from the Scrappy Heap in that game, he ceases to be The Scrappy in that game, which makes him ineligible for Creator's Pet.