The Scrappy Cleanup

I'm not too familiar with that fandom or characters, but I think at least Sora and Kairi have enough fans to be disqualified from The Scrappy. Probably the rest as well, if what you're saying is true.

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I nominate Franklin Richards as one for Fantastic Four fans, and Marvel fans as a whole for a time. He's the son of two of the series' protagonist, but his entire character is that he's either: a) a kidnapping victim b) one of those all-powerful character to the point that he literally created an alternate universe as a child, just so Marvel could do a marketing gimmick or c) a character whose entire thing is being "normal" in comparison to everyone else, in a series where that kind of has no place.

Fans generally agree that only one writer was ever able to write him well, and even he had to use the adult version of the character mostly. Other than that, his entire character is "I am a kid" in a series that is about high-concept sci-fi exploration and adventure. It doesn't help that there are already other children, including Franklin's sister, who is much more liked.

edited 17th Sep '14 12:55:20 PM by XSpectreGreyX

"There's a fine line between not listening and not caring. I like to think I walk that line everyday."

Sounds legitimate, if that's the feelings of the vast majority of the fanbase.

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Now, I can only speak for myself (and I'm not a good source) but the only things I know Franklin from are this comic, which I think is excellent, and these panels (see #1 onthe list), which I find So Bad, It's Good so I like the kid well enough. He's done nothing but entertain me, at least.

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I have two examples.

• Howard Weinerman from Randy Cunningham Ninth Grade Ninja: He often puts his own selfish desires first if it interferes with Randy fighting evil, whenever Randy does something stupid, it's usually Howard's influence, he sometimes mooches off of him, and he rarely learns his lesson in the end.

• Ticket from Ressha Sentai Tokkyuger: He's an unnecessary Team Mascot with an annoying voice, and he often acts like a smug Jerkass towards the Rangers.

The Scrappy is for characters the entire fandom (or at least a large majority) dislikes, not characters you personally aren't fond of. Unless you have some proof of those two being disliked, then they don't qualify.

edited 26th Sep '14 8:34:04 AM by WackyPancake

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Off this topic, but the first example is also much too blue. Only link the words that actually apply to the trope ("it's usually" does not refer to any trope at all, for instance), and not the entire sentences. Or what should be sentences, since it should be split to be grammatically correct.

Otherwise, that.

edited 26th Sep '14 9:19:15 AM by AnotherDuck

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From Gravity Falls

• The Scrappy: Mr. and Mrs. Northwest. Pacifica barely managed to avoid this trope in Season 1 by being such a cartoonishly over-the-top Alpha Bitch character that she had people who loved her for it as well as others who hated her for it. Her character development in Season 2, as well as learning about her rather horrible parents has placed all fan hate on them.

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Those characters shouldn't be Hate Sink instead?

Sounds like Hate Sink. They're basically horrible parents meant to make people feel sympathy for their child, from what you make it sound like? That makes them deliberately created to be hated, which would fall under Hate Sink.

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I think Lieutenant Ford from 'Stargate: Atlantis' qualifies. He's was pretty much booted off the show after season one due to being flat, boring, receiving no character development and getting shoved to the back or left out of scenes entirely. People mostly tended to hate him because he had no purpose on the show, besides being 'that other soldier guy'. Plus he acted like a child and had a tendency to dissolve into very un-soldier-like panic. Neither the characters or the fans were that bothered when he left.

Sounds good. Don't particularly remember him myself, though.

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I think saying fans hated him is a big stretch. He just wasn't that interesting.

A trend I've noticed as of late is for characters to be listed as both Base Breakers and Scrappies. I'm pretty sure the tropes are mutually exclusive, but I'm not necessarily familar with the widespread fandom opinions of these characters. As such, I might need help with this one. One example is Danaerys Targaryen, listed under both tropes on A Song of Ice and Fire and if I remember correctly, Game of Thrones.

To trope, or not to trope...that is the question.

Yeah, they're mutually exclusive, since Base Breaker requires them to have a significant enough fandom that they're not qualified to be The Scrappy.

I'd say that by default, a character who's listed as both should be counted as a Base Breaker, since according to my experience with these tropes, it's far more likely to be correct, due to how people have a tendency to only regard their own circle of friends or forum regulars as the entire opinion about a character, who can very well be liked in a different place.

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Agreed.

Thanks. That was my impression as well.

To trope, or not to trope...that is the question.

Got one I'd like to challenge, at least in part- from The Blacklist (warning, spoilers!):

• The Scrappy: Tom and Elizabeth Keen. At times, Ressler is also this. Elizabeth has gotten worse with her botched interrogation of Tom Keen where he delivers a epic "The Reason You Suck" Speech calling her out on how easy it was to manipulate her emotionally and manages to overpower her with a broken thumb and escape.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap: In "Mako Tanada" Tom appears to do this by revealing he's been a deep cover, Bad Ass Professional Killer all along and kills Jolene and The Cowboy brutally.

So, I don't think Elizabeth can possibly qualify, given that she's the protagonist of the show. Ressler also is iffy- I didn't really care for the character myself initially, seeing as he's kind of a stereotypical Cowboy Cop/ Jack Bauer type- however, he improves pretty quickly, and I don't get the impression he was disliked by the fandom to any great degree.

Tom's description does seem fairly accurate though. Tom was introduced as a Rare Male Example of a Wet Blanket Wife, and naturally earned the usual fandom dislike for his attempts to keep the his wife/the protagonist from doing cool stuff. Initially, Tom was just presented as a kind and understanding Non-Action Guy (so, at least speaking personally, I doubt he was necessarily all that disliked by fans), but increasingly (and leading up to The Reveal), very passive aggressive and manipulative under the guise of being caring.

So, it makes sense that he became a lot more popular once it was revealed that as fans suspected, he actually was a (apparently) bad guy with an agenda and a badass to boot, and that when his niceness seemed fake and Tom unlikable, that was the intent- which makes me wonder if he might not qualify.

edited 31st Oct '14 11:39:04 AM by Hodor

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Anna was included in Frozen Disney.

edited 20th Nov '14 6:19:47 PM by MagBas

I removed the other two examples as well. "A scrappy to some" and "many found [him] not to be" are pretty much automatic disqualifiers.

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Would those characters qualify as Base breakers instead?

Not to my understanding, the way the examples were written. A Base Breaker has the fanbase cleanly divided into love and hate, and not a full range of appreciation, which is what those seemed to be.

edited 21st Nov '14 5:10:45 AM by AnotherDuck

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The Lord of the Rings "The Scrappy: Denethor from The Return of the King, who is viewed in this movie as a complete crazy jerk instead of a complex, sympathetic, Shakespearean Anti-Villain, gets a lot of hate due to his Jerkass behavior."

I wonder if Movie!Denethor would be more of a Hate Sink given that he's intentionally written as big jerk (his break down in ROTK aside).

Sonic the Hedgehog

"A rare case of an inanimate object achieving this status, the Barrel of Doom from Carnival Night Zone Act 2 created a roadblock for numerous players in The Nineties, as there is no indication of the proper way of activating it: most would think to push it down by jumping on it, when in fact it required the unorthodox (for this series) button pattern of up and down. It was so infamous that Yuji Naka pubicly apologized for this poor level design choice."

Can an object qualifies or may I deleted the entry?

Denethor is an antagonist who's not written to be sympathetic, so I don't think he counts.

I'm kind of inclined to let that barrel slide. It is a bit infamous for creating hate, moreso than any other object I've ever heard of.

edited 1st Dec '14 5:53:01 AM by AnotherDuck

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If the barrel is hated due to its interference to the gameplay, it would be a Scrappy Mechanic rather than The Scrappy.

edited 1st Dec '14 12:45:45 PM by theAdeptrogue

It's not the only barrel of its kind, and people don't really dislike the mechanics of them. What they do dislike is that there's no indication for what said mechanic is, and lots of people didn't know what to do.

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