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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:
Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.
The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:
The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.
So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?
Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM
Blapper of Water
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It has to be cheap relative to the setting, which includes in historical fiction (set in the past) where a dollar was "expensive" whereas nowadays a dollar would be "cheap." And large is also relative here, but not in the same way. We're talking about something that's long enough for a five-hour flight, or a train ride, or something like that. There's not really a hard-and-fast rule? And "Can Be Read In A Single Sitting" is important because you're only meant to read it during the flight (or train ride or whatever).
I mean it's in the first sentence of the description: "a lap-breaking paperback you buy cheaply at an airport bookshop to fill your time during a flight." (And later in the description, it says "Airport Novels are a genre which is not defined so much by content ... but by social function." Hence the importance of "can be read in a single sitting.")
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- If you're gonna pothole Ax-Crazy, then there should be some violence in there. ... See Yandere Simulator, perhaps? 'Cause there are different types of crazy, and Insane Equals Violent is false.
- Ah. Sorta "I know it when I see it." Sorta.
... It is underperforming, isn't it? It's only got 42 entries... And we should list examples on the page, shouldn't we?
Maybe I should take it to Repairs instead?
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I don't want to pothole anything. I want to change it to, "Love interest that is affectionate at first and then goes crazy for you," if that sounds good.
So, Yanderes don't have to be violent, just obsessive or some version of crazy?
I guess 'cause since the "yanderu (病んでる)" root just means "ill", not violent or anything, presumably.
edited 26th Jul '17 11:44:07 AM by Malady
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The Unknown
Just made Laconic.Glass Weapon. Here's what it looks like:
I think using "literally" in this case is appropriate to prevent confusion with Glass Cannon.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
I believe it's indeed appropiate.
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
Laconic.These Are Things Man Was Not Meant To Know: "...because they'll drive you insane."
Is this about a warning? Or the information itself? 'Cause we have Go Mad from the Revelation for the actual result of reading the thing...
The trope's description could use some work as well?
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Blapper of Water
Yeah I'd suggest "Something that human beings cannot safely observe, discover, or otherwise know about without dire consequences."
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Much better. Made the change.
The description goes too far into fourth wall breaking for my liking, but that's a discussion for another thread
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edited 2nd Aug '17 8:13:55 PM by Adept
Blapper of Water
I'm going through the Laconic/ pages typed as redirects list and cutting some of the useless redirects, or those redirects from rename projects that haven't garnered many (if any) inbounds.
By doing this, I discovered that Laconic.Beauty And The Beast 1946 redirects to Laconic.Beauty And The Beast (which is for the Literature/ page). Note that the 1946 film page does have its own Film/ page. So I'm going to cut the useless redirects and bring up any troll redirects (like that one for the Beauty and the Beast film) to this thread.
There are a few plural redirects and rename effort redirects that aren't helpful for the Laconic/ pages (though there are apparently plenty of wicks to the Main/ pages of the older names).
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Seems a bit too specific? Isn't it used for damage to eyes in general?
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- Thanks, Water Blap, reminding me about Playing Withs. PlayingWith.Eye Scream gives:
It seems like a non-Video Games version of Timed Mission, as said with the Laconic: "We're running out of time!!!", And this bit on the You Have 48 Hours misuse thread...
While the description seems to be really focused on the villain making the timeline. But whether that's accurate or not...
Perhaps:
Currently:
...
According to me, it seems like it's basically any kind of blush?
In any case, it seems like the Laconic is too focused on one specific representation of blushing... if tomato-esque blushing counts, as indicated by the page quote... Then where does a blush that's PSOC happen if any kind of blush counts?
Or is a blush basically never PSOC 'cause it's occurrence always means something?
edited 11th Aug '17 2:32:47 PM by Malady
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Laconic.Old Man Marrying A Child needs a description that does not require knowledge/linking to lolicon to understand.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
- That doesn't even work with what was Laconic.Lolicon...
Wait... From Description... Arranged Marriage is apparently required?? Ugh. I want a rename to fit that into the title...
How about some that's a bit Laconic.Arranged Marriage + Laconic.Dirty Old Man?
Does it need to be a Dirty Old Man as one of the participants? ... Well, that depends on how encompassing a Laconic has to be for all possible variations of the trope...
edited 11th Aug '17 10:07:57 AM by Malady
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Blapper of Water
, Thankfully, there's a Playing With/ page, which gives us "The young girl is legally married to the older man," which we can probably rephrase for the Laconic.
Also, "forced marriage" may not be suitable here because the old man is not forced into it; the girl is.
Combining Malady's and the Playing With/ versions:
Laconic.God Of War Series contains a lot of different laconics for each of the games in the series, even though we have many of them in their own Video Game/ pages. I'm gonna move 'em and undo the redirect from Laconic.God Of War. The troper who did this was apparently ~cwf123 in May 2017. And ~Deis The Alcano is the one who made the redirect.
edited 11th Aug '17 5:24:16 PM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Too book-focused. From the Description: "Not all the objects have to be books to qualify for this trope"
Doesn't seem to match trope's description. How about: "Computers represented as binary."
Someone Fixed This! Thank you, Legitimate Idiot!
Laconic.Brand X: "No named brands were harmed in making this program."
Not explanatory. Needs cultural context.
Exponential Potential: "The number of abilities you've acquired throughout the game becomes a tad overwhelming."
... Not really? I'd think it's the many options idea of Combinatorial Explosion... Which is supposed to be something like You Can't Get Ye Flask, where it seems something should happen, but doesn't?
edited 6th Sep '17 10:51:54 AM by Malady
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The Unknown
I've rewritten Laconic.Metroid Samus Returns to be more concise.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
Blapper of Water
Yet another report: Generations 91 made Laconic.Unsound Effect nonsensical in 2015 so I looked through their editing history. Going as far back into their edit history as January 2016, I found...:
- Laconic.Blatant Lies (already corrected)
- Laconic.Noodle Incident
- Laconic.Insufferable Genius (made a little worse imo by someone trying to correct it)
- Laconic.Ride Along
- Laconic.The Illegible
- Laconic.Punch Clock Villain (might be fine but given everything else...)
- Laconic.Start Of Darkness
- Laconic.Lack Of Empathy (already corrected)
And there might be more, but I think that's enough for reporting. Some of their edits for Laconic/ pages were fine or just affecting the "visit the other version here" section, but the ones I linked to all make the laconic entry itself saliently worse.
Suffice it to say I'm about to revert all of these. There wasn't anything wrong with them before this troper's edits.
edited 6th Sep '17 9:30:47 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Their laconics come off like some tilted head self demo.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Unknown
Rewrote Laconic.Fire Emblem Warriors for clarity.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
The Unknown
Would anybody mind if I rewrote Laconic.Non Elemental into this?
Blapper of Water
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your new laconic
—- Just wondering how it would somehow fall into Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors, if it's actually non-elemental...
'Cause then I'd suspect a Lost in Translation or something... Like Void being translated as Null or something...
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Blapper of Water
On Laconic.Gotterdammerung, the laconic implies that this trope overlaps with The Magic Goes Away, but this trope is actually about the event that causes deities to die. I suggest the laconic be changed to:
edited 28th Sep '17 6:41:29 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
More than Mind Control has this:
However, the main page for More than Mind Control has this:
So the main trope page states that supernatural forces can be at work, but the Laconic page says no superpowers are at work. Should the Laconic page quote be amended?
The yandere pages says, "This person's crazy about you. Often literally," but that's only half of it. Should it be changed to, "Love interest that is affectionate at first and then goes crazy for you?"