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The Grand and Unified Appearance Trope Clean Up (now on ThighHighBoots):

Currently on the table: Thigh-High Boots

There is on TV Tropes, a common bad habit that persists among editors of using appearance tropes, or names that sound like they could be appearance tropes, badly. They always suffer from the same problems and they tend to clog up the TRS like they're on a revolving door. As such I'm making a large scale special effort in order to address the common problems all of these tropes have.

Sometimes non-appearance tropes are mistaken for appearance tropes. Report them here and the clean-up will be handled.

We're going to search for the best ways to change the culture and make sure that the misuse stops. Tropes will be handled here and we'll likely have a fair number of crowners on this thread. Keep checking back for new developments.

For full details, including the to-do list and crowner list, check this post.

edited 8th Apr '14 9:23:55 PM by Madrugada

Humanoid of Many Names
"Here is where you can comb for instructions"...I just came here to ask: was the pun intentional? tongue
I am the spline that reticulates sideways.
 102 lu 127, Mon, 10th Dec '12 4:44:00 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
Absolutely not.
何も恐れる事わ無い
I have a question for people familiar with Spice and Wolf: Do the characters Nora Arendt and Fermi Amarty fit Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold?

 104 Septimus Heap, Mon, 10th Dec '12 7:07:32 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
Dunno, but if you have any doubts, put it on discussion.

 105 lu 127, Mon, 10th Dec '12 7:13:43 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
It's unclear, but Nora is described as naive, young, and a good shepherdess, so she might count. Fermi...I can't see anything indicating it.
何も恐れる事わ無い
 106 Septimus Heap, Mon, 10th Dec '12 8:37:01 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
A small tangential question: How do you use an autocomplete for the edit reason in Firefox? It would make this wick move much easier.

 107 peccantis, Mon, 10th Dec '12 8:57:19 AM Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
the flies will find you
[up] Ctrl+V
before the darkness arrives
 108 SKJAM, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:35:59 AM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
I think some folks are just deleting from pages they aren't familiar with, or failing to read the context that Hair of Gold is being used in. Please be careful, folks.
 109 lu 127, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:48:59 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
You are citing Zero Context Examples. Those have to be deleted or we'll never get rid of the appearance tropes mess.

edited 10th Dec '12 9:49:12 AM by lu127

何も恐れる事わ無い
[up][up]Precisely the reason I'm avoiding most of the titles on the list - too many things I'm not familiar with.

Two more questions about examples that were using Hair of Gold: 1) On the Blonde, Brunette, Redhead page was this example:

How accurate is the last sentence? Does it even belong there?

2) On the Blond Guys Are Evil page was:
  • On Dexter, Rita's abusive, drug-addicted ex-husband Paul is blond, contrasting with his Hair of Gold former wife.

Anyone know if the wife fits the updated Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold, or is she just a blonde who is not evil?

edited 10th Dec '12 9:52:29 AM by shadowblack

 111 Septimus Heap, Mon, 10th Dec '12 10:07:41 AM from Madrid, Spain Relationship Status: Mu
A Wizard boy
I think we should just delete anything that doesn't look like an example - otherwise, we are setting a precedent that Zero Context Examples are OK, never mind leaving nonindicative and potentially misleading wicks around.

 112 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 10:11:19 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
@SKJAM: If you're talking about Batgirl, neither of the characters fits the trope. They're both action girls and far from the sweet, innocent, feminine, fawning princesses that this trope is talking about.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 113 lu 127, Mon, 10th Dec '12 10:29:14 AM from the Capital of Light Relationship Status: Loves me...loves me not
I'm starting to think Thigh-High Boots is unsalvageable. It only seems useful as Zettai Ryouiki redirect fodder.
何も恐れる事わ無い
Can we put Opera Gloves on the table as well? I don't think it needs to be cut but I do think it needs a more specific definition than every case of a character wearing one.

edited 10th Dec '12 10:50:35 AM by captainpat

 115 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 10:52:29 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Both of those have been added to the list.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
Seeking for Light
Are subversions still allowed for Hair of Gold, Heart of Gold? I'm specifically thinking of Lizzy from Black Butler, who is initially presented as a fairly childish, relatively naive, effervescent, sweet young lady with blonde hair to match, but who turns out to be a Lady of War and nowhere near as naive as she seems, although she still has a heart of solid gold. Or is that even a subversion?

edited 10th Dec '12 11:29:39 AM by Nocturna

 117 SKJAM, Mon, 10th Dec '12 11:34:14 AM from Minneapolis Relationship Status: Cast away
Great and Powerful
@shimaspawn—well okay then. That's a bit different from what I thought was happening, which was eliminating them as zero context without actually knowing what the context was.
 118 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 12:15:08 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
We're trying to do that as a last case because that sort of misuse leads to trope decay and messes. If no one can give context to a ZCE it needs to be deleted. But we are trying to delete things that are known bad examples as well as ZCEs first.

Subversions are still allowed if a character is set up as the trope then revealed to be deeper. They're also allowed if they start out fitting the trope, but Character Development marches on causing it to no longer be accurate. In those cases make sure that you specify that character development means they no longer fit.

edited 10th Dec '12 12:16:06 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 119 Madrugada, Mon, 10th Dec '12 12:22:54 PM Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Yes, the trope can still be subverted, but now instead of simply being "character has blonde hair and isn't sweet and innocent" it needs to be limited to "Character has blonde hair that is used as a device to make the audience think she's sweet and innocent, or taken by other character to indicate she's sweet and innocent, but it turns out she isn't really."
'He strutted across the bedroom, his hard manhood pointing the way' sounds like he owns a badly named seeing-eye dog. 'Sit, Hard Manhood!
I've gone through some appearance tropes for various Middle-earth books. If you find any more appearance ZCEs for them just ask me.

I started on Hair of Gold with the ones I specifically recognize.

edited 10th Dec '12 1:50:18 PM by ArcadesSabboth

Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 121 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:34:38 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
I trimmed down the description on Mismatched Eyes but that page itself needs some clean up. I'll do the examples I know, but it's a big of a mess.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 122 Cider, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:37:14 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
Okay, Hair of Gold was named for the myth about Sif having hair like Golden Wheat grains given to her as compensation after Loki shaved her bald was it not?

If it was not, then it should have been. It makes no sense for characters who had literally golden hair like Shelton Benjamin or Frigg to be excluded from the trope in favour of "Blondes being good". Everyone Loves Blondes is for yellow headed rubios being good is it not?
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 123 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:50:56 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Nope, it was not named after Sif and her literally golden hair. It's never had anything to do with literally golden hair. It was named to go along with Heart Of Gold. It's always had the definition it does now. It was just cleaned for Natter and Word Cruft in the definition.

Everyone Loves Blondes is not about blonds being nice, sweet, and innocent. It's about an In-Universe reaction to blond characters as being seen as better. Everyone Loves Blondes applies just as much to evil characters as good ones.

edited 10th Dec '12 9:53:03 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 124 Cider, Mon, 10th Dec '12 9:58:07 PM from Not New York Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
The Final ECW Champion
In that case it looks like I was a repair shop discussion too late. Shiny Midnight Black does not sound specific to hair, so much as a contrast between dull black and shiny black. Is that a preexisting term as well?(then I can blame whoever knows it for not nipping it in the bud)
Modified Ura-nage, Torture Rack
 125 shimaspawn, Mon, 10th Dec '12 10:02:02 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
You weren't. You were just confused about what the tropes were from the start. We didn't do any redefinition. We just added a little to the name to make it clearer and are doing clean up of bad examples.

There are enough examples being right that doing a full scale redefinition was never on the table. Sorry.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
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