TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

For Recaps Elementary I replaced the links with Elementary S 01 E 12 M and Elementary S 01 E 21 A Landmark Story. I cut listed the original link to A Landmark Story, but the cut list wont acknowledge Elementary.M.

Fixed it.

Otherwise:

• Kidō Senshi Gundam-san: Stub work page; creator messaged.
• Manic Pixie Dream Boy: Stub male-specific version of Manic Pixie Dream Girl by ~shanbubble.

Manic Pixie Dream Boy: Cut it. No YKTTW, no description, 1 ZCE, no formatting, no index, no reason to have a gender-swapped version of the trope.

edited 26th Jun '14 9:30:39 AM by Madrugada

Usually gender-specific redirects are allowed.

Hi there. Working on the Kidō Senshi Gundam-san page, but can't do it alone.

EDIT: Removed the links. Didn't know about that rule.

edited 26th Jun '14 10:01:51 AM by NeoGenesis

Uh, ~Neo Genesis, I know that not everyone is familiar with that rule but linking to manga scans is not acceptable, since they are usually of questionable legality.

Samaritan: If they serve a purpose, yes. But are there actually gender-flipped versions of Manic Pixie Dream Girl, considering all the aspects that need to be present for one?

• stunningly attractive,
• high on life,
• full of wacky quirks and idiosyncrasies (generally including childlike playfulness and a tendency towards petty crime),
• inexplicably obsessed with our stuffed-shirt hero
• focusses her craziness on him until he learns to live freely and love madly
• has no goal for herself other than to bring the hero to emotional freedom

Her target is not simply ordinary; they're beyond that: dull, stuffy, emotionless, cynical

edited 26th Jun '14 9:56:49 AM by Madrugada

Thirteen currently on the page, some with Rare Male Example linked.

Here about AJCO!

It's a very small (less than 30 people) Minecraft RP server, and one of our number dearly wanted a tropes page for it. We're still in the process of adding things and cleaning it up, which is why it's still currently un-indexed and doesn't have any crosswicking. We're also working on the lack of context for things but again, this is still very much a WIP (and many of the editors are very new to page-making).

^^ Thirteen are listed but do they meet those criteria? I have my doubts, especially about them meeting the "Entire purpose is to free the heroine from her stultifying existence. They have no goals for themselves." criteria.

Considering how often females get shoehorned in without really meeting the criteria, I'd be quite surprised if all the males are good examples.

edited 26th Jun '14 6:02:28 PM by Madrugada

That sounds like an argument for cleaning, not scrapping. The examples aren't written to clearly break the definition, but that means very little.

It's an argument against assuming that there's a gender-flipped version. Or that the gender-flipped version is common enough to warrant a gender-flipped redirect.

My argument for scrapping the page is that it's a piece of utter garbage. There is nothing about it that was done correctly except the namespace.

edited 26th Jun '14 9:32:47 PM by Madrugada

An one example page is not really OK. That page will at the very least have to go back to YKTTW. I see that ~Oberoniss and ~desdendelle brought it up in Ask The Tropers and cutlisted it, too.

Anyhow, for today, we'll have to re-run Age of Zombies, Spooked, Island At War, Insignia and For Keeps because apparently they aren't cutworthy with no explanation as to why.

Otherwise:

• Neon Genesis Evangelion: Methinks that we need some policing in Franchise/ - it's not supposed to be a namespace for disambigs.
• On The Tropes: Does anybody mind if I move it to Recap/?
• Videogame Fic: Seems like nobody has a problem with it.

Your evidence for "male example misuse" is based on the misuse of female examples. That's not actually proving anything wrong with the male examples. If the female examples are incorrect, then they need to be fixed/removed (cleaning). Having a gender-swapped redirect does not contribute to misuse.

(Being in the correct namespace is probably due to luck more than intent. XD)

Videogame Fic: Cut it. It's a stub, completely covered by Sudden Game Interface, and pointless.

Today's worklist is three items:

• ~bud0011 has been going and making recap pages for Recap.Christmas Episode and Recap.April Fools Plot. Somehow, I think that they should rather be YKTTW'ed tropes.
• Since 66genius was banned, we'll need to do something about The Three Sisters and The Wheel and the Butterfly Saga - both are stubs as they currently are.
• On The Tropes needs still commentary.

Doubleposting, because someone named ~killerzuera made an article Waluigi Time. What is it supposed to be? The only thing I can find is a meme, and we don't make pages for them.

Also, Adaptability is a stub article; I've messaged the creator.

I apologize for posting a mess last night. I wanted to get it saved before it was lost (after all, isn't one suppose to save often?)

I'll clean up the list today and make it more readable.

The two recap pages already have tropes. These are just ZCE lists of the works "with that trope".

I've made it into a more readable list, sorting by series title, then within the series, by season/episode number(s).

That's what the examples list on the trope pages are (and if they aren't they should be). The Recap namespace is for summarizing a specific work or episode. Tropes don't have anything to recap.

And if you're working on a page, and don't want to write it offline in a word-processing program, use the Sandbox.whatever page.

then there should not be indexes at all, as they don't summarize anything.

The original list, as I saw it, was just long, and did nothing but alphabetize them. It was incredibly long...and not really useful.

"And if you're working on a page, and don't want to write it offline in a word-processing program, use the Sandbox.whatever page."

why would I put it in a word-processor? all the links would flag spellcheck and it would create a blinding-red text-block. Also, aren't sandboxes cleared out periodically? I would risk losing the work.

Indexes serve a different purpose. They are lists of pages that are related to each other somehow. If you want to know what tropes we have about "Lies and Lying", for instance you look at that index. Other than the index, there's no other single place that all of them will be listed.

A list of works that contains a given trope is called an "examples list" and should be on the trope page.

Why would you want to put it in a word processor? Because that's what word-processors are for — working on things you're writing. You save the file to your own computer and you can take as long as you need to to get the page complete and correct before you put it up on the wiki, instead of throwing a half-done mess up there.

Pages in the Sandbox namespace aren't deleted until it's determined that they aren't needed anymore, either by the person who made it/was using it telling us that, or because they haven;t been touched in a long time. And by "a long time" I mean at least several months, and more often, upwards of a year.

Use the Sandbox to work on your pages until they're in finished condition. That's what it's for.

edited 28th Jun '14 10:37:44 AM by Madrugada

Those indexes are listing pages, recap pages. Useful lists of recap pages, so they don't take up room in the on the main page, necessitating it to be broken up into subpages (using what is already available, instead of creating new one).

And they are all related by being episode tropes. I have been specifically keeping it to episode tropes, for that reason.

Also, I am not writing anything...if the purpose of a word processor is for writing, then editing a wiki, saving a draft, etc. don't fall within that scope.

Not to mention, even if I put it in a sandbox, and then moved it, people would still be questioning if it is needed or not. (which, in my opinion, it is).