Welcome to the Content Violations Discussion forum, where we discuss whether a work violates The Content Policy.
Remember that the forum rules apply here
, plus the following:
- You don't PM moderators about stuff pertaining to the policies, except for thread reasons;
- We tolerate links to scanlation sites unlike in the rest of the site due to its purpose, although it's preferred to remove them when they have done their jobs;
- The forum is not a soapbox for your own views on the policy or on morality. Please leave them at the door.
Violations of these rules can result in a ban from the subforum, or from the entire forum.
Otherwise:
Also, keep in mind that there are works that we don't want flagged without a really good reason as they are not likely in violation of policy:
- Is a film rated below "R" for U.S. distribution.
- Is a show that can be aired on prime time television.
- Is a video game that is rated below "M" by the ESRB.
- Is a written work that is sold in major bookstores without an "adult" or "mature" label.
- Is an anime/manga/etc. that is approved for U.S. import as a non-adult work.
- Is read/shown/taught in high school or below.
- Is in another format and meets equivalent criteria.
What we're looking for:
- Pure porn, or porn with an Excuse Plot only,
- Anything that has explicit underage sex,
- Implied sex of preteens or younger, and
- Fanservice intended to cater to pedophiles (lolicon and shotacon fanservice can count).
A couple of guidelines so the procedure can move smoothly:
- Do not list whole indexes or works just because they are on a certain index or have lolicon, H-Game or shotacon on their trope list.
- Do not list works you know nothing about without at least reading the trope page.
- Do not list works that you know are G-rated but you find creepy.
- If it's paedophile-pandering approximately how old are the characters involved? What happens? Is it graphic? Is it merely implied?
- List what objectionable content there is, and how much of the work consists of that.
- If it's entirely sex, say so. People have different ideas of what porn is. We all have the same idea of what a work being entirely sex scenes is.
- If you're not sure about a work, say so, or ask someone who does know that work. But don't make blanket accusations. Post here: "I don't know about this work, but the page says X".
- Google and Wikipedia are your friendsnote . Do a little digging on works you aren't sure about.
Also, in the case of H Games, there is this questioning to fill up:
- When are the sex scenes located?
- Are they spread out over the game?
- How much gameplay is there between sex scenes?
- Are they only at the endings?
- How hard do you have to work to get an ending?
- Are they in every ending? Every good ending?
- Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu?
- Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting?
- Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated?
- How explicit are the sex scenes?
- This isn't a headcount. Your opinion is only considered if it explains in at least some detail how you came to the conclusion that the work is/isn't porn/paedopandering.
- When a moderator determines that the discussion has yielded a consensus, they can enact its conclusion/ask a moderator to enact the conclusion.
- The discussion is only about whether the work qualifies as porn or as paedopandering. We don't assess anything else in this process.
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Q: Why is this happening?
A: Concerning the porn, it tends to attract creepy edits that have brought us into issues with the adservers while not significantly contributing to our core purpose - tropology. Concerning paedophilia-pandering, such works are just plain creepy to have pages about.
Q: What can I do to help clean the site?
A: You can flag content as unsuitable using the flag tool, which is located in the Tools menu to the right of each article, keeping the criteria in mind. Also, you can help enforce No Lewdness, No Prudishness across the wiki, possibly though cleaning pages listed in this Long Term Projects thread.
Q: This work is not actually/primarily pornographic. Why was it cut?
A: This could be for a number of different reasons. If the work was deemed to be paedopandering, for example, it will be cut whether or not it's actually sexually explicit. Being pro-paedophilia or pandering to paedophiles is bad enough, even if the work is nominally anti-paedophilia. Of course, it's possible that there was a mistake and then you should appeal it - please check the reasons first, however.
Q: This work is being/has been cut, but it is not a violation of the Content Policy. How do I make an appeal?
A: Flag the work page using the button in the sidebar and state your reasons for restoration.
Q: This work is pretty much pure porn, but it's really good porn. Can an exception be made?
A: Nope, sorry. If it's mainly porn, it goes.
Q: Why would you cut this? In [culture x], it is totally acceptable.
A: The vast majority of our readers come from the Americas or Western Europe, so we will be adhering to what could broadly be termed "Western" standards. This means we will not be permitting works which sexualize 12 year olds, and nor will we be demanding that every picture of a woman on the site must wear a burqa.
Q: How can you possibly claim to know authorial intent? (Roland Barthes is my co-pilot.)
A: It is not important what the authorial intent was, only the outcome.
Q: Wikipedia have articles on all kinds of awful stuff. Why can't we do the same?
A: Wikipedia is a strictly academic site. They have to cite sources and a "no censorship rule". They also do not aim to be Family Friendly, and are not reliant upon third party ads for funding. Conversely, one of our stated aims is to celebrate fiction, and our generally light, non-negative tone is a reflection of this, which has led to much more gushing about inappropiate content.
Q: So should I take every article here as an endorsement of whatever it describes?
A: No, of course not. We have pages on Greedy Jew, Adolf Hitler and Mein Kampf after all. However, if we choose to focus our attention on schoolgirls' thighs or porn, it does reflect very poorly on us. Fan Fic Recommendations are a slightly different issue. If a work is recommended there, this should be taken as an endorsement by the troper who wrote it.
Q: Are we allowed to make forum threads about works processed by the Content Violation Discussions forum?
A: If it was voted "clean and keep", a forum thread is relatively safe as long as it is restricted to talking about the clean parts. Anything with a stronger judgement is discouraged on the forums.
Q: Where can I find decisions regarding a work?
A: They are linked from the discussion page. Sometimes the old list of content reviews or the thread list in this forum can help as well.
Q: I still have some questions/concerns.
A: We will be happy to answer them. There is a thread for this.
- Guro: Violence played for titillation. (contrast Gorn)
- 5P or P5: The panel that administered the policy prior to the review system being overhauled in 2022. See 5P.
- P(a)edoshit: Older term for "P(a)edopandering", deprecated for being inflammatory.
- Porn: A work mostly concerned with sexual arousal. Having NSFW or explicit scenes doesn't automatically make a work porn — it's when showcasing explicit scenes is the entire point of the work.
Also, questions about the policy can be asked here. They will be added to this thread's FAQ section once answered.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Apr 27th 2024 at 7:29:01 PM
Someone removed the redirect from Monster Girl Quest, citing "removing misleading redirection". They have got a point, considering that there is no note there justifying it. Now VideoGame.Monster Girl Quest is a (locked) redirect; I think that Monster Girl Quest can simply be cut (and possibly locked).
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well, that really IS a misleading redirection. Monster Girl Encyclopedia too. They're all separate works in the genre.
I never got why those didn't just get cut if they were disapproved by P5.
edited 6th Mar '14 11:45:28 AM by Adannor
lu127 proposed to redirect them because they had lots of inbounds.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I had gotten the impression while reading this thread that they were indeed separate works, but made by the same person.
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
No, they are separate works with separate creators, in the same genre but with different ideas on the Cute Monster Girl types (ranging from number of types, to the details of shared types, and even high variability in the designs of some of them). And that's not counting the differences in their respective settings and storylines.
... OK, so Monster Girl Quest has MGE's creator (among several other well-known monster-girl artists/authors) as part of the design team. But the main artist/author is someone else entirely.
edited 6th Mar '14 4:39:12 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
I have a question: The FAQ on The Content Policy and the 5P Circuit says:
removed every single mention of Lightning Warrior Raidy (a title that was cut by the P5) regardless of how valid each example is (and without leaving edit reasons, so I can only guess why Kaizerreich removed those examples).
Looking at Kaizerreich's edit history I see that this isn't the first time he removes examples that mention works cut by the P5.
That policy isn't that old. That person ought to be informed about it, as well as about not deleting stuff without edit reasons.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
shadow, did you PM them already? Because if not, I can.
I'll call ~Kaizerreich here.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Did I go overzealous here? I'm sorry then <.< I'll remember it next time.
The main problem I see here is that these examples are redlinks, so someone will inevitably click them and then be send to a page with a lock. Don't you think they'll then search for whatever it is and find stuff the Wiki explicitly doesn't want?
edited 17th May '14 8:32:34 AM by Kaizerreich
Don't delete them, just de-link them. So Lightning Warrior Raidy becomes simply Lightning Warrior Raidy. Examples are fine so long as the examples themselves don't violate policy. Related, images are fine for the same reason. Absurdly Powerful Student Council, Class Representative, Student Council President, and 1000 Origami Cranes (and more, I'm sure) all have images from hentai or other cut works, but there's nothing wrong with the images themselves.
Also, if you encounter an image from a cut work, report it here.
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On that note - check the Special Cases folder at the bottom of the OP of the thread Septimus linked; that's where the full list of those pages is.
As far as the pages where examples from cut works are, what I normally do is break the wick and insert something like the following before the example:
%%
%% [Work title] was removed from the wiki for violating the content policy.
%% Do not restore the pothole.
%%
edited 18th May '14 7:12:24 AM by Willbyr
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fast Eddie cut some tropes, one "to get us in Dutch with the advertisers." The same advertisers from Google that themselves advertise Ashley Madison? Really?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Lost in Space
That Google is hypocritical in this regard doesn't mean they don't still pull our puppet strings. Unless, of course, you have an alternative means of funding the wiki.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
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Whoa, which ones were cut?
Black Bra and Panties, The Art of Bra Removal and Shotacon as well as some images.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Naughty Tentacles probably caused the biggest stir.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
X4: I know; just venting. If I won the lottery, I could fund this site on my own (how much does it cost, anyway?).
edited 28th May '14 11:53:18 AM by ACW
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
"Advertisers" was only given as a cause for cutting a locked stub whose 1725 inbound links likely provided the only reason it escaped earlier purges. I don't think advertiser censorship is to blame for cutting the other two.
Why didn't he cut Lolicon as well? God knows we'd be better of without either page.
I am guessing: "Google's complaints weren't about lolicon, just shotacon".
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Shotacon and lolicon were not mirroring pages. Shotacon was about the fetish/genre/whatever while lolicon is about pedophile characters played for laughs.
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
That's because the Lolicon page has been repurposed (post crackdown) to be that trope. It used to be about works appealing to the fetish, same as Shotacon.
EDIT: I seem to remember it happening post-crackdown, but I'm probably wrong.
edited 31st May '14 12:57:48 PM by DoktorvonEurotrash
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
Edit: On second thought, nevermind
edited 7th Feb '14 5:14:32 PM by Sixthhokage1