In an effort to keep the volume of threads in IP at a reasonable level, and to encourage creating threads that address genuine problems, we need to make some notes about when to request a thread and what constitutes valid reasons for a thread. These have been mentioned in some of the other IP procedure threads, but they're being listed here for quick reference.
- A thread requested within two weeks of the closing of a previous thread on the same page that doesn't have a concrete suggestion will be rejected outright.
- IP isn't obligatory, but it is strongly recommended. Otherwise, the image you put up may end up coming to the forum for work or replacement.
- Pages that have gone through IP should have a commented-out tag showing the relevant thread(s) and any related information. Always check for these before adding a pic or requesting an IP thread for a page.
- Keep the quality criteria listed below in mind when making an image suggestion.
- Work pages generally don't require an IP thread to upload a pic, but feel free to start a thread if you have multiple ideas, or use the Image Suggestion thread to float single ideas.
- Animated GIFs aren't allowed as page pics. True Art Is Incomprehensible is the one exception, per admin fiat.note
- It usually takes 5-7 votes for a pic to be considered to have consensus in a thread; pics can be put up with less than this, but usually only at a moderator's discretion.
- An option has consensus if its vote balance is "in the green" (more up votes than down) and has a minimum of a 2:1 vote ratio.
- If a crowner ends with no options having consensus, the crowner and thread are considered to be failed and the thread will be closed unless there is significant ongoing discussion.
- Crowners normally run for a week but can be closed early for the following criteria:
- At any point, if the leading option has a vote balance of 10 or more and no other options have consensus. This is considered "super-consensus".
- After 5 days, if the leading option has a vote balance of at least 8 and no other options have consensus.
- After 6 days, if the leading option is the only one that has consensus.
Reasons to instantly pull an image and make a request to replace it
- Not Safe For Work (NSFW)
- If you're unsure on whether a pic fits this or not, comment it out or ask before outright pulling it.
- Classic works of art containing nudity, such as Michelangelo's David or Botticelli's The Birth of Venus, don't necessarily fall into this, but appropriateness for the page in question is the key factor, and SFW options should be considered whenever possible.
- The image is a spoiler. The age and/or infamy of the work the image originates from may prevent this from being considered a valid issue.
- Watermarking. A TV channel emblem on a screencap is a "bug", not a true watermark, and is permissible as long as it's not obtrusive.
- Meme-based images are not permitted as page pics. The sole general exceptions are Image Macro (for obvious reasons) and a work's Memes page, where they should only be considered if there are no better options.Other exceptions
- A page has an image that is obviously from the wrong work / programming block / network / etc.
- Copyright issues:
- The pic implies TV Tropes is claiming the copyright.
- The pic has been taken from a site that deals in copyrighted images or videos, especially if a watermark has been removed and/or the site is selling their content. Screencaps from videos from these sites are not permitted, either.
- The image is the entirety of a product for sale, such as a t-shirt design.
- Using an entire work:
- Basically, if it's copyrighted, we have to get permission to use it. This covers single-panel cartoons, photographs, entire comic strips and webcomics, and similar works. If permission is granted to use a work, it's always noted on the page in some fashion, usually in the caption and/or with the page tag. If an artist requests a specific way to display their connection to the pic, we'll do our best to honor it.
- Some artists, such as xkcd's creator, have given us carte blanche to use entire works as needed. Permission notices for such cases aren't required.
- Entire cards from card-based games like Magic: The Gathering are impractical but can be used. Using the art from these cards is fine.
- Any such work that's in the public domain is free to use.
- Some creators do not want their work used outside their control at all, but fair use means that we are not legally bound to honor this for the wiki's purposes, aside from the aforementioned restrictions. We'll honor a take-down request, but it's up to them to send it. We're not obliged to chase them down and ask them what their policy is. Fair use also allows us to use excerpts of works without seeking permission. In this case, the minimum needed to get the trope across should be used.
Valid general reasons to request a thread
- Multiple suggestions for a page without a pic. Single suggestions are currently being filtered through the Image Suggestion thread instead of getting their own threads right off the bat. Those that don't end up on a page will have threads created to try to find a pic.
- The current pic doesn't adequately demonstrate the trope. Examples of this include:
- Just a Face and a Caption (JAFAAC)—the pic shows an example of the trope but relies on familiarity with its subject(s) to make the connection to the trope evident.
- A pic that is nothing but text, or one where the text overwhelms the imagery. "May/Might as well be a page quote" is often used to describe this. There are exceptions (Spoof Aesop, for example), especially for dialogue-based tropes, but generally we want to have actual images as page pics with just enough text to support the expression of the trope.
- Poor image quality. Graininess, motion blur, and compression artifacts are three of the most common problems.
- If the size value in a pic's coding is larger than the actual size of the pic, it will stretch the pic to that width which will introduce artifacts. Check the image's properties before starting a thread; if this is the issue, a change to the coding will fix it.
- The current pic is taken from a multi-panel work such as a comic strip or webcomic and uses more than half of the source material.
- Fan-art on a work page instead of an image from the work itself.
- The current pic is overly fanservicey, especially in the Creator/ namespace. In the case of Fanservice tropes, pics should be as low-key as possible while still getting the trope across.
- Two trope pages have the same pic.
- While it's preferred that they be separate, a trope page can have the same image as a work page or a character image from a Characters subpage. In these cases, a thread should have at least one replacement suggestion for either page.
- You believe you have a suggestion that better illustrates the trope than the current pic (by Image Pickin' standards, not "This is a cooler pic.")
- A pic has been changed or removed from a page for a reason that may not be valid, or no reason at all, especially if the pic was chosen by a previous IP thread. These changes can sometimes be simply reverted by a moderator without a need for further discussion.
- A page marked as No Real Life Examples, Please! has a Real Life pic.Exceptions
- A YMMV or Audience Reaction page has a pic that is not In-Universe.Exceptions
- A page has an unusual image arrangement not chosen by an IP thread and you don't think it works well, e.g. having two images on a trope page. Some pages have multiple pics for a reason (Our Orcs Are Different, for example) so check for an IP tag before starting a thread in this case.
Invalid reasons to request a thread
- Trying to solicit ideas for an image.
- Not liking an image's art style, layout/design, or any Photoshopping or similar alterations that may have been made, provided they don't impact the pic's quality.
- Claiming that a particular work is over-/under-represented. This can have some impact on deciding on a pic, but should never be the main gist of a thread.
- Trying to argue that a pic you liked wasn't chosen in a previous thread, especially if it lost in a crowner, or trying to make an invalid argument that a pic doesn't work for a page even though it was chosen by a thread. Repeatedly doing this is grounds for suspension from the workshop forums.
- Some trope pages feature Visual Puns or other jokey pics rather than something that actually demonstrates the trope, usually because these pages have been very hard to find a better pic for.Examples Don't request a thread just because you don't like the joke; if you've got an actual example, that's fine. Also, see the "Don't change the pic" section on the page mentioned below.
- Pages within the YMMV/, Fridge/, WMG/, and Headscratchers/ namespaces default to no pic; YMMV.Home Page and Headscratchers.Home Page are the only exceptions.
- Due to their exceptional subjectivity and persistent problems with images being poor quality and/or not illustrative, Moments pages (Awesome/, Funny/, Heartwarming/, NightmareFuel/, TearJerker/) are limited to one image.
Edited by Willbyr on May 11th 2021 at 9:03:08 AM