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Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Who here proposed Self-Harm? We were talking about Sanity Slippage, Sanity Has Advantages, and Shattered Sanity. Don't strawman me.
You want to get technical? "Generic insanity" doesn't exist in real life at all, and the Western medical community has known this fact for decades. "Generic insanity" is completely imaginary and fabricated. The only mental issues in real life are actual diagnosable medical conditions. Therefore, claiming a real person has "insanity" is like claiming they have magical powers. It's garbage. It's like saying "I'm not saying they're diagnosed with clinical lycanthropy, I was just saying they're a 'generic werewolf'."
In addition, speculating how nuts you think Tom Cruise/Sarah Palin/Kim Jong Il is has nothing to do with the site mission, and is a natter magnet.
edited 28th Nov '12 8:59:49 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Who here proposed Self Harm? We were talking about Sanity Slippage, Sanity Has Advantages, and Shattered Sanity. Don't strawman me.
It was an example of a mental illness trope that is very possible in real life. I'm not trying to argue that those 3 tropes should have RL examples, I'm arguing that tropes dealing with mental illness, insanity or whatever you want to call it aren't automatically made NRLEP.
"Generic insanity" is completely imaginary and fabricated. The only mental issues in real life are actual diagnosable medical conditions. It doesn't exist.
"Craziness" is just a useful construct for people who don't have the expertise or don't know enough of a person's history to make a precise diagnosis.
And I don't imagine we can put a sign saying "Only discuss the insanity of real people if they've publicly admitted to being insane, or were found insane by a court of law." and expect the editors to respect that.
We did something similar for Wounded Gazelle Gambit, and it seems to work.
edited 29th Nov '12 12:33:05 AM by reub2000
No, the other one.
Self-Harm appears to be well-written in the Real Life example list. They're technical, and seem to be backed up. It's not attracting natter or shoehorns.
Sanity Has Advantages had one really bad example that I removed, there's one generic example and one speaking about some analyses. The generic example does highlight the problems associated with the trope. It doesn't seem too problematic.
Shattered Sanity is a small trope with one Real Life example about an imagined metaphor that is along the trope. It's also centuries old, so no gossiping about current people.
Sanity Slippage has a series of "Oh, you think your example is bad? Wait until you see mine!" examples. There are also several generic entries about insanity in general, without going into why it belongs on the page in the first page. The people in the examples are often alive, and most examples are just gossip. It is attracting natter and shoehorns.
edited 29th Nov '12 1:41:22 AM by AnotherDuck
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No it isn't. It is an action that is a symptom of several mental illnesses, but it is not actually a mental illness in itself anymore than vomiting is a physical illness.
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Exactly. Self harm is an action, and if somebody's been cutting their arm it's really obvious.
Mental illnesses are confidential diagnoses that come with massive social stigma. "Crazy" is just a label and a rumor.
Big difference.
edited 30th Nov '12 8:15:55 AM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Added Troperiffic. Pretty small so far, but I feel that real life is too general to follow story conventions.
I now go by Graf von Tirol.
Added Wham Line to the crowner.
That one has a Real Life subpage but some examples might prove to be valid examples of the related "in-universe" trope Dropping the Bombshell.
Another thing I've noticed is that "Real Life" is sometimes actually "Other"or just "Didn't Bother To Sort It" — philosophy, standup comedy, jokes, religion, ads, etc. I think it's a good idea in general to check for misplaced stuff before deleting each section.
edited 2nd Dec '12 7:47:43 PM by ArcadesSabboth
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
No, the other one.
Should they then be moved?
Actually, aren't they all Dropping the Bombshell? Real life has no audience, and Wham Line requires one.
Not all. As he mentioned, some of the examples are not actually Real Life examples.
"In distress", my ass.
Calling the following, all added Nov 28th:
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones - 16:0 (16)
- Sanity Slippage - 12:1 (13)
- Sanity Has Advantages - 13:1 (14)
- Shattered Sanity - 13:1 (14)
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Put the Sanity Tropes under their own category, like was done with the sex and evil tropes.
edited 3rd Dec '12 6:04:01 AM by Nohbody
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I'm a "she" not a "he." But yes, what I meant was that before deleting Real Life examples we should check for misplaced non-RL examples.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
I apologize for the incorrect pronoun. I'll try to remember your gender in the future so I don't make the same mistake again.
Added Fridge Horror to the crowner.
Fridge Horror - a natter magnet? You mean, like every one page about that? Downvoted it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I think the bigger issue is whether the "fridge" tropes can really apply to real life.
Lost in Space
Since real life doesn't have a plot, it's impossible for Fridge Logic or its counterparts to apply. The idea that you realize something after thinking about it for a while is not a trope, it's called How Our Brains Work.
Hell, Fridge Logic is not a trope even in media; it's an audience reaction.
edited 4th Dec '12 7:12:28 AM by Fighteer
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My god...I just took a look at the place and it's stupid metaphysical wankery natter nonsense.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
No, the other one.
You mean those things that should be deleted on sight regardless of anything else?
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"The Constant: Trope relies on time travel... which [doesn't] exist in real life."
How could anyone possibly know that, unless they traveled throughout time and found no evidence of time travel.
As far as any troper knows, it's impossible in Real Life. Once someone discovers time travel, we can discuss removing the trope from NRLEP.
If someone discovers time travel at any point in human history, the phrase "once someone discovers time travel" will become utterly meaningless.
On a slightly more serious note, I posted this in the Wham Episode discussion page, but I suppose it actually belongs here: "Why is this page NRLEP? The concept is not exactly controversial, nor were the examples given before (Dissolution of the Soviet Union? Does anyone believe that that was not a huge WHAM episode in modern history?).
Further, the reason given on the NRLEP page - Wham Episode: Real Life isn't scripted - is nothing more than opinion. An opinion that at least 1.5 billion Sunni Muslims, in addition to anyone who holds the philosophical standpoints of compatabilism or hard determinism on free will, disagree with."
edited 4th Dec '12 10:20:10 PM by kipz61
...Are you freaking kidding me.
All right, fine: would "real life doesn't have an audience" be acceptable to the determinists?
A diagnosis is not pointing to a person and saying that they're nuts. It's saying that they have a particular disorder, one that has specific treatments. I can watch Billie Joe Armstrong freaking out, and say that he's nuts. I'm not diagnosing him with any particular disorder. Hollywood Personality Disorders does not take RL examples because it is making diagnoses of people. Self-Harm does because it's about a behavior without talking about any specific disorder.