Real Life section maintenance (New Crowner 19 Feb 2024)

Related to the whole "too common" discussion, from another thread I saw mention of NamesTheSame.Real Life.

Why is that in any way worthy of not only a separate RL page, but three separate RL subpages? There are seven billion people and millions of organizations on the planet so there's bound to be repetition, but it seems to me that it really is too common, and being RL there's no narrative purpose or tool that's being served by the similarities (the opening paragraph even specifies characters in stories).

(Mind you, I'm not really all that convinced it's tropeworthy in general, but that not only is another thread entirely, it's probably a battle I wouldn't win even if I was inclined to try to fight it.)

edited 25th Oct '17 9:27:36 PM by Nohbody

That doesn't really differ from how it's used in works. It's not a trope. It's trivia. There's no narrative purpose to it by definition. Rather, it's explicitly the lack of purpose, as it's a coincidence. If there's a problem, it's that we have it at all.

There are a bunch of initialisms that shouldn't be there, since the trope is about the full name. And at least one pair of related people, which is also against the definition.

Whoops, missed that Names The Same is trivia, not trope. Still seems kind of pointless to me, but like I said not a battle I'm interested in fighting even if there was a chance of success.

In any case, other than the issues mentioned (relatives and initialisms listed), I suppose it doesn't really need to be NRLEP, but that there are three subpages for something that's outside the scope of fiction on a website that focuses on it irks me on general principle.

I cleaned it up a little bit, but the formatting is a mess, like usual on pages like these.

Should song and film titles count, or is this trope only about characters/people? I'm seeing entries for things like "Singer X and Singer Y both have a song called Z."

edited 26th Oct '17 7:52:51 AM by PegasusKnightmare

It's starting to sound like Names The Same could get its own short-term clean-up effort. There's the confusion with Acronym Confusion, "similar names" (which are expressly not this concept), and as said in same titles rather than character names.

Characters and people go under Names The Same, song and film titles go under Similarly Named Works.

I'm in agreement about starting a cleanup effort.

Is the real life section of Has Two Mommies okay? I thought troping real people wasn't allowed.

In the Real Life section, it's allowed as long as it doesn't cause any extra problems. Are there any problems?

It's not allowed on creator pages, because there it has consistently caused problems (natter, shoehorns, and complaining/gushing).

edited 31st Oct '17 2:56:14 AM by AnotherDuck

It looks okay information-wise, but it looks like it needs to be cleaned up in terms of word cruft.

Why is Badass Beard NRLEP but not Badass Mustache?

Can't find the discussion about Badass Beard, but I'd guess it was because it was overused for anyone at least one person thought was badass and also had a beard. By my experience, quite likely also a ton of ZCEs.

For Badass Mustache, looking at the examples, I think it would be enough to cut all ZCEs and only keep the examples that establish some sort of connection between the mustache and the badass.

The RL examples of Apathetic Citizens seems exists to bypass the NRLEP policy of Bystander Syndrome.

What's left if we clean it from the normal problems, and what's more fitting Bystander Syndrome?

The NRLEP had some of its entries moved to different folders, mostly the narrative folder. Some tropes such as Almost Kiss do not even count as something that is exclusive to creator's intent. It would fit better in the "too common" folder, even though it was originally in the flamebait folder for being a Tear Jerker magnet.

Horrible Hollywood has a No Real Life Examples, Please! warning on the page, but isn't listed on the index.

Well, I won't argue for allowing real life examples on that page. It's about negative stereotypes, so it could fit either morality or stereotypes. I'm thinking the latter, since that's the main aspect of the trope.

Re 7016: Well, if "too common in real life" is not a valid argument to make, then we shouldn't even have that folder in the first place. The folders imply that the folder label is why that trope was made NRLEP. That said, we've barely even discussed whether it is valid or not.

The history doesn't go back to the beginning, but from the YKTTW discussion it looks like it was at least mentioned as needing to be NRLEP, though no final decision was made before launch. The initial "no real life" notice was added on Oct 8, 2015, by lledsmar, apparently with no discussion of the matter, and the edits to that line since then have been basically tweaking the message format without any objections in other edits of that particular line after that point.

Personally, I'd be fine with just listing it on the NRLEP page for stereotyping, but technically HH should be run through the crowner.

Hell, we could probably have HH as too common.

I thought we were considering easing away from "too common".

Anyway, I think that Horrible Hollywood should be added to the crowner under stereotyping and gossip even if it's currently informally NRLEP, so there's no ambiguity as to "official" or not.

edited 9th Nov '17 7:39:21 AM by Nohbody

Noting someone added an improperly formatted...thing...for Elemental Powers to the crowner. Requesting removal pending proper discussion.

That was done by Non Troper (courtesy link to edit history for easy reference: here). Looks like a newbie who hasn't gotten a handle on formatting yet. I think the entry should be removed. Elemental Powers, as far as its trope meaning goes, cannot happen in real life and there is little reason to suspect that people can control water with their minds or the like.

There are no real-life examples on Elemental Powers, nor any signs of any being recently removed.