Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
"In distress", my ass.
No objections here to striking Performance Artist from the crowner.
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Pending:
- Girl Scouts Are Evil: Added 15th Mar '17 at 7:30 PM, 1.4:1 (12)
Odd Friendship has several Zero Context Examples mostly regarding celebrities. And, the list is very large.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
"In distress", my ass.
I cleaned up the RL section of ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
, commenting out the ZCEs where I couldn't provide the context, nuking some generics, and other maintenance stuff.
I don't think it needs a spin through the crowner, though.
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Also, waiting for Girl Scouts Are Evil to stabilize before calling. Added 15th Mar '17 at 7:30 PM, currently at 1.8:1 (14).
Nuked the Performance Artist crowner entry, in accordance with thread concensus.
edited 17th Mar '17 7:11:39 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Education Mama's real life section is also bloated, compounded with several ROCEJ violations such as Disproportionate Retribution (which is itself NRLEP for the same reason).
edited 17th Mar '17 1:36:37 PM by MitchellProductions
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Zzzzzzzzzz
Agreed on Education Mama. There are examples that are worth keeping but they all belong in other folders
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
It's also a gossipy racial stereotype. No thanks.
edited 17th Mar '17 3:29:26 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695
No, the other one.
I removed all or most generic "examples" from Education Mama. If you want to move the examples to a better folder, feel free.
edited 17th Mar '17 3:37:25 PM by AnotherDuck
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Sorcerer in training
Suggested in this ATT thread that maybe Artistic License pages shouldn't have Real Life examples.
I think it's worth reviewing the AL pages and examining ones that seem troublesome. For cleanup purpose at the least.
Thoughts?
edited 17th Mar '17 6:47:44 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Like reflections in the glass!
On the one hand, those deal with the depiction of subjects being messed up. Which should in theory not be applicable in reality.
On the other hand, I can see the tropes being used as shorthand for, and to mock, Ignorance (not helped by the fact that the original names were You Fail X Forever). Which could easily snowball into being ROCEJ-unfriendly rather easily.
Either way I'd say that we need to take a look at these tropes.
edited 17th Mar '17 8:25:53 PM by MorningStar1337
"Which could spiral into..." is a red flag IMO. Imagined issues and real ones have a tendency to get proposals swatted (both here and in TRS.) I'm not opposed to a check, but outside of the topics of sex, morality and IRL impossibility/Chairs, blind NRLEP condemnations are a bad idea.
The Unknown
Nothing wrong with giving them a once-over, at least.
If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?
I'm not saying there is. But kneejerk reactions based on "potential for controversy" are never good.
edited 18th Mar '17 12:25:04 AM by Theatre_Maven_3695
"In distress", my ass.
~Khadgar Jones 1 Please don't add an entry (Doublethink, in this case) without at least mentioning it here first in the thread
That said, after moving the Orson Scott Card entry to the Literature folder and deleting the generics, I don't see a problem with it having RL examples.
edited 18th Mar '17 6:14:05 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Zzzzzzzzzz
I've deleted Doublethink from the crowner since it had no votes either way. It can be re-added once it's been brought up in the thread.
"In distress", my ass.
I was actually tempted to vote it down, but decided to be lazy. 
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Anyway, pending:
- Education Mama: Added 17th Mar '17 at 03:30 PM, 8:1 (9)
- Girl Scouts Are Evil: Added 15th Mar '17 at 07:30 PM, 10:5 (2:1)
GSAE technically qualifies, but I think it should wait a bit more. Not only because of those away for the weekend, but because it's still not really stable (1.4:1->1.8:1->2:1 from what I've seen). And as my thinking about this thread has gone on over the months, exactly 2.0 now 
me on general principle.
Oversized Garden Ornament
Regarding Artistic Licence tropes:
I agree that we shouldn't make them NRLEP just because of the potential for problems. If there are persistent problem it's another thing.
However, we may want to make them NRLEP because these tropes don't apply to real life. The very term "artistic licence" implies the existence of a creator who's not getting their facts right, intentionally or not. Tropes Are Flexible so the creator doesn't have to be "artistic" - it could, for example, be a newspaper reporter who's really trying (but failing) to be as matter-of-fact as possible. But the existence of a creator implies that we're talking about a work, and then the example should be listed under the work's genre (even if it's journalism or documentaries) and not under Real Life.
In short, Real life itself takes no artistic licence. People writing works about real life do.
Rhetoric and science is usually troped under Real Life and is wrong very frequently. So that is not correct, actually.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Sorcerer in training
So review, clean up, worry about problems as they show up in regard to the AL tropes?
Note: Artistic License – Medicine does not have a Real Life section. (Did cut a bit of main page conversation I spotted.)
edited 18th Mar '17 7:32:47 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Since Downer Ending is now NRLEP for being a narrative trope, its subtrope, Sudden Downer Ending should be, too. It doesn't have a real life section or (to my knowledge) really anything beyond a pothole on a creator page (specifically Conrad Veidt dying of a heart attack).
Also, I cleaned up all the "this exists" examples on Rope Bridge.
No, the other one.
One thing about the Artistic License pages is that if you do clean them up, make a note here, in case the problem shows up again. That really goes for any page that needs a significant amount of cleaning.
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Sorcerer in training
Artistic License – Pharmacology
cringe
I think several of those examples are general enough to be chopped, and that first entry reallllly needs help. Opinions?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
No, the other one.
I found one example worth keeping, which is the one about the article that was linked, although the contex is a little lacking.
All other "examples" I found generic, Useful Notes at best.
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"This article on prescription opiate abuse." Not sure exactly how it holds up as a proper example, but it was the only one actually mentioning something specific.
edited 19th Mar '17 4:58:46 PM by AnotherDuck
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Sorcerer in training
Which example is that?
I'm on my phone nownote , but if no one else gets to it, I'll scrub it while I'm at Target tomorrow. (Free wifi)
Zzzzzzzzzz
Looking at that, I'd say that any example which basically boils down to "this is why <this trope> is bad" can go. In fact, that probably is a decent rule of thumb for all the Artistic License tropes.
The Meta Folder can also probably go in its entirety. It's preaching, not examples.
edited 19th Mar '17 2:55:18 PM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
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