Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I'm having a hard time swallowing that people have been literally driven insane by math/logic problems. Suffered some kind of nervous breakdown from trying to come up with a solution, sure. But the problem itself causing madness? Really?
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I'd also want the mathmaticians' pharmeceutical history cleared, because I've read at least two accounts of early-mid-twentieth century math geniuses being on something. (One book theorized self-medicating in the absence of effective treatments for mental miswiring/chemical balance.) So is it go mad from the revelation, or the substances they consumed?
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No, the other one.
I don't think any of the entries in the Real Life section of Go Mad from the Revelation are real examples.
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Speaking from my background in theoretical physics, there are plenty of concepts in mathematics and physics that can be quite mind-boggling. Anything to do with quantum mechanics, or infinity (the 0.999... = 1 example is a rather trivial case of the latter) is so far from our common experience that they may make you feel you're going crazy. But as for these things actually driving people crazy? No. There's absolutely no evidence that that can happen, or entire maths departments would go crazy, not just a few isolated cases.
The real-life section of this trope just seems to be a bunch of shoehorned anecdotes about people who studied subject X and went crazy (which does not mean they went crazy beccause of X), or thinly-disguised Troper Tales about how people feel that "I can't understand this, so it must drive weaker people crazy".
Also, I strongly suspect that such information can't exist. Our minds have very strong defence mechanisms, so even totally world-shattering information on a personal level, like that received by Oedipus Rex, which is far more threatening to you as a person than any revelations about philosophy or the nature of the universe, doesn't usually make people go crazy. But, of course, I can't prove that.
But I neverthelss feel that we should make it NRLEP as a shoehorning magnet and stop all the silly speculation. And also because all this discussion about people going mad is gossip and doesn't belong here.
edited 18th Feb '17 8:53:44 AM by GnomeTitan
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Fully agree.
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Calling Downer Ending.
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Made a new crowner as the current one has fielded and decided 12 options already. Hollering for a hook.
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And switched.
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Added Go Mad from the Revelation as per above discussion.
Nice Jewish Boy is full of ZCE, and friendliness is People Sit on Chairs in real life, which was the reason for Nice Guy becoming NRLEP.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
Plus the specifier "Jewish" makes it a stereotype as well. Adding.
Shirtless Scene risks having pointless examples due to being too ubiquitous among all men, even the ones who are modesty guardians. It is a bait for gushing or mocking a person for his physique.
Risks? It's inherently pointless in real life, since there's no outside observer breaking things into "scenes".
No, the other one.
Reading the page, I find that many of the examples are about events or broadcasts, and from that point of view they could be considered scenes.
On the other hand, there's a ton of generic "examples", and Zero Context Examples.
Clean and see how it looks?
I also axed almost the entire Sports folder on the main page for being generic, and I'm still not sure about the one left, since it's not about specific occasions. Still, it had a good amount of detail without being gushing. Also, some examples from the Real Life page would probably fit better in that section, if we keep them.
edited 19th Feb '17 9:19:09 PM by AnotherDuck
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I added to the crowner. At least we should put the trope a restriction.
"In distress", my ass.
Eh, I'm thinking Shirtless is kinda chairsy, never mind the ZCE problem, but I don't know if I can muster much enthusiasm for nuking the RL section even after cleaning (which I haven't the time to do right now).
Anyway, calling to make NRLEP Go Mad from the Revelation, which has never really been close to being uncertain. Added 18th Feb '17 at 09:26:15 AM, 5.33:1 (19)
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Pending:
- Nice Jewish Boy: Added 19th Feb '17 at 12:23:56 AM, 6.5:1 (15)
- Shirtless Scene: Added 19th Feb '17 at 09:10:20 PM, 1:1.5 (3)
"Just Joking" Justification was brought up in ATT as needing the ol' chainsaw due to "political complaining". Thoughts?
And that entry about bullies in the trope's real life section could be a ROCEJ violation, since it is talking about a controversial subject, especially when the examples are about the bullies resisting trouble by using that false "just joking" justification.
edited 21st Feb '17 2:48:38 PM by MitchellProductions
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
If nothing else, it and at least a half a dozen entries like it violate Examples Are Not General.
'K then. Adding.
Do we really want a real life section for Dumb Is Good? Aside from the fact it's calling people dumb, there are a lot of general examples.
The comments of the trope may be rescued.
Jealous Parent asks not to add real life examples or at least discourages them.
Added.
Commie Nazis has the "real life unconventional" folder despite its listing in NRLEP. Should that folder be kept, or removed?
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy, but all play and no work makes Jack a mere boy
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Oh? Name one. Going down the rest of the examples (the ones I didn't cut immediately for being stupid):
edited 17th Feb '17 11:40:46 AM by Fighteer
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