Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
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If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
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- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
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- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Terrie makes a good point. Decadent Court (probably in part due to its former title-turned-redirect) is highly amoral, but questionably evil, yet it's indexed under no fewer than three explicitly evil-based indices.
Does that warrant a double-check as to whether it really fits under those indices anymore? I know that's not the point of this thread, but still, might be worth taking a second to think about it.
edited 20th Feb '15 1:56:06 PM by SolipSchism
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It can fit there, because it can be evil. But it is not an Evil Trope itself because it doesn't have to be. "Some Evil Courts are Decadent courts" is not equivalent to "All Decadent Courts are Evil Courts"
Whether it still fits on those indices definitely needs to be looked at.
And there is no way we are going to make some sort of sweeping policy that all the subtropes of a Evil/Villain tropes are automatically NRLEP. No way. That last sentence is me speaking as a Moderator and member of the staff.
edited 20th Feb '15 2:36:12 PM by Madrugada
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I'm down with all of that. I mean, not every Sub-Trope is completely encompassed by its Super-Trope, and that doesn't even take into account Trope Decay or shifting trope definitions.
Sorcerer in training
Besides the whole potentially messy issue with the admins and all laying down rules on Evil Tropes, etc., instead of the Hive Mind voting on them, bringing the tropes up here not only allows consensus that, yep, that should be NRLEP, but allows people to see and clean up any messes involved, regardless of how the vote goes.
edited 20th Feb '15 11:02:10 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
As I said, I'm fine either way, thought it could use some clean up for the inevitable natter that historical tropes seems to get in their RL sections.
Filthy casual
How about Heroic Neutral? Should that really have a Real Life section?
(Annoyed grunt)
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The first RL example in Heroic Neutral is natter-y and runs afoul of the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment, the second runs afoul of RoCEJ too, and the third is... old enough? I think?
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Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: Narrative trope
Filthy casual
Bolt of Divine Retribution: Not really possible in Real Life, I think.
(Annoyed grunt)
Calling Unspoken Plan Guarantee: Added 20th Feb '15 at 08:00:00 AM: 13 (yeas:13 nays:0)
Once I take care of this, I'll holler for a new crowner.
Crowner switch is go.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"In distress", my ass.
Very Melon, just FYI, but putting the description in the new crowner is generally considered not a bad idea. 
Fixed, just copy/pasted from the previous one into the new crowner description.
edited 23rd Feb '15 12:34:11 PM by Nohbody
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Ah, okay. I though something was weird.
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Heroic Neutral is framed as Good vs Evil, but the morality doesn't seem to be a requirement of the trope. The trope seems to be "Side A provokes Main Character into opposing them." which isn't morality-based. Plenty of room for Grey Vs Gray or Good vs. Good conflict.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
I tend to agree with that. Reading the laconic, there isn't much good/evil to the trope, despite the name and the phrasing of the description.
Sorcerer in training
Next question: What's the natter-magnet/gossip potential of Heroic Neutral if the RL section is kept?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
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Hello I launched a trope called Mascot Villain and at the request of ATT, I decided to make it NRLEP
The index is locked however so I want to request if anyone can add it to the index?
edited 23rd Feb '15 9:17:52 PM by MorningStar1337
"In distress", my ass.
To add an entry to the NRLEP page, you need to post in the edit requests thread in the "Frequently Asked Questions" subforum.
When making the request, please type it up as if you were directly adding an entry, with the appropriate wiki code. Mods can open up your post for editing to see the "raw" code, and copy/paste it into the appropriate spot.
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Filthy casual
Well, whatever is decided, the Real Life section can't remain like it is, can it? And even if the current section is cleared, what's to stop it happening again?
(Annoyed grunt)
Sorcerer in training
Oh, if the page isn't locked, it might happen again. That's the whole point of putting in the code that puts a big red "No Real Life Examples, Please!" on the editing page in place of the usual tips.
But if someone ignores that, it's cleanup and PM them, leaving an edit reason that points to this thread and/or the list of NRLEP pages. If they still ignore it, particularly multiple times, the mods can discuss calling them into the office for a chat.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Filthy casual
Hmm. How about Noble Demon? Should that have a Real Life section? I mean, right at the beginning it states that the Noble Demon is a villainous character.
(Annoyed grunt)
Agreed, villain trope.
Also, every single Real Life example except the second one basically says "Some would say that this person was one from their perspective because X," stating it from a specific viewpoint, which makes them both Arguable and YMMV. None of them are valid.
edited 24th Feb '15 11:10:18 AM by SolipSchism
No, the other one.
Noble Demon is definitely a villain trope. It's about someone who's expected to be evil who's not entirely evil, so it's a type of subversion trope. Real people don't have the expectation on them to be mean or hostile to that degree, even soldiers in war. They're still expected to abide by a certain amount of honour.
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BlazingInfernoHellfireSauce.Real Life has a major natter issue, and looking at the trope description, I'm not sure it's actually possible in real life.
edited 25th Feb '15 6:53:25 PM by Terrie
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I think that while Evil/Villain tropes should, as a rule, be made NRLEP!, they still go through voting and so their subtropes should get voted on, too.
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