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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
I noticed that it is not marked as an Audience Reaction, but it is one logically. I just nominated it in the "YMMV banner" thread.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Again, every exampe in the ACT real life folder is a valid example of the trope, but in most cases not a real-life one. The examples should stay, but I don't think there should — or can — be a folder labeled "Real Life"
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I don't think Aluminum Christmas Trees is YMMV. People think something is fictional, like black swans, or didn't exist, like giant lizards/birds, then they find out, oh yes it does/did. That's pretty objective. (Amazing how many dinos had feathers, really.)
I think the platypus, at best, would be an example with a twist. People thought the skins brought back to Europe were cleverly-created fakes, but then a live one made the trip. It was real all along, it's just people with their lack of knowledge and narrow range of information at the time just didn't realize it could be possible.
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Wouldn't it be a Trivia then? The information on whether or not the stuff actually exist IRL is not found in the work itself, right?
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Actually, what might be the best way to go for ACT is to move the RL examples to the appropriate media folder and then see what remains.
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I would support that approach, but I contest that every example in the Real Life folder is valid. Take the very first, for instance:
I did indeed first learn about the existence of ambergris by reading Moby-Dick. I just never occurred to me that it could be fictitious. This entry is just trying to be smartass: "You're so stupid, bet you thought ambergris didn't really exist, huh? WRONG!" To top off the annoying tone of this entry, ambergris is found in the *bowels* of sperm whales and is not "puke" in any sense (not even 'essentially').
To be a true example of Aluminium Christmas Trees, it should be plausible that a significant part of the audience thought that the ACT in question was fictitious. But I see neither reason nor evidence that any reader of Moby-Dick ever assumed ambergris to be fictitious. After all, Melville knew a lot more about whaling than the vast majority of readers then and now; why should anyone doubt his word on something he's clearly familiar with? Ambergris does not play an important part in the the plot, so there is no narrative benefit of making it up. There's nothing about his description of ambergris which sounds inherently improbable or hard-to-believe. Without any proof that anyone ever made that mistake, I assume this entry is just a troper being a smart-alec.
There's a lot of entries in the same mould:
And you thought bedbugs were mythical creatures, like dragons and unicorns! Note how the contributor apparently got doubts on the quality of their example and therefore made mention of the incredible "brutality" of bedbugs which is just so hard to believe.
I never thought that Tasmanian devils are fictitious. As a reader, I feel this lecture is treating me as dumber than I am.
While the platypus example refers to an actual mistake being made (and I've heard that story before, so I think it is factual), it is just an anecdote from the annals of zoology and has nothing to do with fiction, storytelling, or media. Whereas
I feel that collecting a list of "things that someone did not believe even though they were real" is just not part of the wiki's mission.
@Candi: I did not suggest that Aluminium Christmas Trees is subjective, but that it's an Audience Reaction. In my understanding, we do not claim that Audience Reactions are YMMV (the reaction is naturally subjective, but the fact that there has been a reaction is not); but we treat them the same for convenience. So they get the YMMV banner and examples go into the YMMV/ namespace.
To me, Aluminium Christmas Trees is clearly an Audience Reaction because it's entirely dependent on the previous knowledge of the audience: Some people are completely aware of the historical existence of aluminium christmas trees and will not bat an eye if one comes up on TV. It is entirely an individual reaction.
edited 31st Oct '14 12:02:48 PM by LordGro
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Voodoo Shark: Narrative trope.
No, the other one.
I killed a few generics on Voodoo Shark.
That said, the examples that are left are about people spinning stories, so I'd call them more fictional than real. Not sure whether that's following the trope or not. They do follow the spirit of the trope, at least.
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Conspiracy theories strike me as narrative-ish enough to fit, especially the last example.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I do wonder if things like Urban Legends and Conspiracy theroies belong under RL, though.
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I have the same wondering, too.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
No, the other one.
I have a few times seen an Urban Legends folder, but I don't really have a problem leaving them in Real Life either, as they still concern Real Life heavily.
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Calling Reality Is Unrealistic: Added 29th Oct '14 at 06:13:45 AM, 19:0
[edit] Not sure which folder of No Real Life Examples, Please! it should go in, however. None of them really seem to fit, as there's no "massive shoehorning" folder.
edited 1st Nov '14 4:37:15 AM by Nohbody
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To common to trope will do.
Except it's not, because there weren't any valid examples. Impossible in RL may be better.
You're right. I don't know why I didn't suggest that earlier.
Because it isn't true. Reality Is Unrealistic is When exposed to an exaggeration or fabrication about certain real-life occurrences or facts, some people will perceive the fictional account as being more true than any factual account.. Not fiction-specific at all.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Oh, then I'll go back to saying to put it under "Too common to trope".
Muggles Do It Better: Impossible in real life.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
I thought I recalled discussing Muggles Do It Better. The RL section does need to go, though.
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
I'm...rather unsure of the need for a real life page for Lethal Chef, as seen here
Well, at least half them needs to be cut. The "example" about lunch ladies and the MR Es both need to die, horribly. The Naked one is too vague to be an example (it should be specific ads, under advertising).
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Didn't Think This Through was brought up in ATT. At the very least, the RL section could use a good scrubbing.
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That might fall under "too common to trope."
Worth noting that ACT is not an Audience Reaction as-is.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman