Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
I also don't think, "it's disgusting" holds up as an argument here. That's a moral judgement that could just as well apply to just about any Evil trope. Or something like Draco in Leather Pants.
Now, I must say this particular one isn't one I really care for, but I've not seen any convincing arguments to remove it.
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@My Final Edits: Keep Real Life Examples has nothing on it, so I guess no.
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Regarding splitting No Real Life Examples, Please!, we can do that. I am just wondering whether to request a lock on the subpages as well, although I am inclined not to unless actual problems start.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Well, yes, but it's not like anyone's proposing cutting the entire page. Real life sections aren't on-mission to begin with, and it's our standing rule to cut them when they cause problems. I'm inclined to feel that "making the wiki look bad" should count as a problem.
No, the other one.
We're describing how it is, not endorsing it. It's the same as listing serial killers. Well, not that I'm comparing shippers to serial killers, but I don't see how shippers are so much worse than serial killers that they damage the wiki just by being mentioned.
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Very Melon, way back on the last page: I could, but doing so would be a gross abuse of Mod Fiat and I'd expect, at the very least, to be on the receiving end of some very harsh words from the admins (and the other mods), and more likely, to be removed as a mod for it.
Another Duck, regarding all shipping tropes being "either troperwank or gossip". I'm aware of that and making all the shipping tropes NRLEP, or even better, In-Universe Examples Only, would suit me just fine.
edited 6th Sep '14 5:20:12 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
No, the other one.
I don't think making them NRLEP applies at all, since it's about fantasy, which isn't real by definition. On the other hand, making all of them In-Universe Examples Only isn't something I'd necessarily object to, since that's at least consistent. Really depends on how much we want to document fandom.
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"In distress", my ass.
Since there's apparently no objection to discussing the NRLEP page technical details in this thread, here's my first question: Some of the tropes are gathered into categories (evil tropes, sex tropes, etc), while others that would fall under those categories are scattered about the list in standard ABC order. Should they all be gathered under the appropriate category, or everything listed individually, and not as a sub-bullet?
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I like the category folder idea the most. It would cut down on the character count tremendously.
"In distress", my ass.
Well, I wasn't thinking of making them folders, but it's certainly an option, given there's already ABC-based folderization as precedent.
Anyway, my thought was that if we go with the "collect things into categories" option, most of the explanations would go away, with only an explanation here and there for when there's more than one reason for listing a trope, but on further thought that does kind of run into an issue that already exists on the page and would be made worse with the above idea: Zero Context Examples.
There aren't any exceptions for Administrivia pages, but currently the entries under the "Evil Tropes" category are all ZCEs. While I'm not of the "stick to the rules at all costs, no matter what" school of thought, I can see an obnoxious Rules Lawyer type pointing out how they're allowed on one page but not another (I'm surprised there already hasn't been, though I may have just missed it).
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The way I see it, it's not zero context if the folder they're under explains why those trope were declared NRLEP.
edited 6th Sep '14 8:53:33 AM by VeryMelon
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^ This. The context is there. It's simply that it's stated once for all the tropes in that folder. instead of reiterated for each one.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
"In distress", my ass.
What I suspected, but wanted to second-check and not come across as some random non-staffer asshole arbitrarily deciding wiki policy.
Anyway, I'll start working on a sandbox for it, though it may be a few days before I'm finished thanks to work scheduling uncertainties. If anyone wants to jump in and do it themselves, saving me hours of formatting headaches, I won't raise a stink. 
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To play Devil's advocate: Splitting them by reason rather than alphabetically will make it harder to find one (if, say, someone is looking to see if a certain trope is there) and easier to overlook one.
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No, the other one.
One folder for each major reason sounds good. Would probably also need an Other/Multiple folder as well, since everything don't fall into neat categories. Although if something has a main reason for being there, and another lesser, it might be easier to just put it into the folder for the main reason, and add a note about the lesser reason, just like any additional details that might be necessary. But other than that, I don't think they typically need more context than "This is gossip about real people" or "This is calling real people Evil".
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I would split by classification of trope, rather than reason. The end result will still be mostly the same — all the Evil Tropes will be together, and the reason will still be "calling real people or entities evil". The Narrative Tropes will all be together and the reason will be "Real Life doesn't have a narrative/author" and so on.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I don't like that scheme - seems like it's heavily reliant on NRLEP reasons and trope classifications overlapping. Also, when page size is the issue there is really no problem with a mere page split.
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Pretend Prejudice has a fair number of issues. A lot of the examples are actually examples of hypocrisy, not the trope, and several are general commentary, not examples. Finally, it abuts the general prohibition on RL examples of "bigot" tropes.
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That's basically what I'm doing right now.
"In distress", my ass.
Looking at what's on the list currently I've come up with the following categories:
- Villain Tropes
- Evil Tropes
- Sex Tropes (including sexual harassment/rape and sexuality preference tropes)
- Impossible in real life
- Narrative, characterization, and plotting tropes (all require a creator's intent)
- Too common in real life (though many of the ones that bump into this problem are also hit by other issues like the above categories)
I'm tempted to suggest something about not diagnosing mental and medical conditions, but I'm wary of too many categories resulting in ridiculously fine nitpicking.
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Here's what I'm currently using:
- This is calling real people Good or Evil
- Impossible in Real Life
- Too Common to Trope
- Sex and Fetish tropes
- Gossip and Sterotypes
- Sqiuck
- Politics and Law
- Religion
- Controversy and Flamebait
- Real Life has no narrative
- Other
edited 6th Sep '14 3:30:38 PM by VeryMelon
Done up to examples under the letter H. I'd like some feedback on how I'm doing things.
"In distress", my ass.
I take it you just copy/pasted existing entries into the new categories because you were just demonstrating the concept? The reasons all seem to still be there, and the Evil Tropes section is still done in the sub-bullet setup.
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Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
I'm not defending it, because it's creepy, I just didn't want to say anything if everyone else was defending it.
ETA: Flung it on the crowner. My reason may be excessively succinct.
edited 5th Sep '14 9:09:01 PM by HersheleOstropoler
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