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Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
No, the other one.
What about those, "this is what they did to fight the problem (and this is the result)" examples? They're specific, just not specific to people. On the other hand, they're also more about the reaction to the trope, rather than the trope itself.
edited 19th Aug '14 11:13:05 PM by AnotherDuck
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They're about the trope, but not examples of the trope — that makes them interesting, but not really relevant. They should not be included.
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The adultery one: "Judging real people's relationships." And...? Yes, the real life would do that, but...?
Also, Culture Police is NRLEP because it'd be "too controversial." How's that differ from Moral Guardians (I'm NOT arguing for making that NRLEP)?
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The adultery one is us passing judgement on whether Real People were justified in having an adulterous relationship or not. It's not "did they or didn't they?" It's "was it Good Adultery or Bad Adultery?". Completely aside from the fact that no one who would be editing the page is likely to have any first hand knowledge of all the details, there's no universally accepted set of standards for what makes adultery "good" or "bad".
edited 20th Aug '14 8:43:06 AM by Madrugada
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It's already flagged for no real life examples, but could we add The Alleged Expert to the list? Explanation: Let's not get the wiki sued for libel, OK?
Ships That Pass in the Night still has a real life section consisting entirely of shoehorns. Can I go ahead and cut it?
"In distress", my ass.
Yeah, I think you can cut those for being shoehorning.
Don't think it's worth NRLEP status, however, unless it attracts more of the same after the cut. Without looking at the history (which may not go back far enough, without using archive.org) I'd not be surprised if some of those were from ages ago and just weren't addressed earlier.
edited 21st Aug '14 7:30:10 PM by Nohbody
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No, the other one.
Did we add that one to the crowner before, and come to the conclusion that the examples are wrong but the trope shouldn't be NRLEP? I'm certain we've discussed it.
Yeah, how the actors' characters interact and how Real Life people meet (or not, in this case) within shows is completely irrelevant for how they meet in real life.
edited 21st Aug '14 7:31:03 PM by AnotherDuck
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"In distress", my ass.
No, Ships That Pass in the Night has never come up on a crowner. It's not on the NRLEP list, but also not on the list of tropes where NRLEP status was denied.
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Yeah. My point was just that the wrong examples are still there almost a month later.
Edit: Okay, maybe it was never formally on the crowner, but I do remember that there was a general consensus that real life examples were possible because of Real-Person Fic, but the current examples all needed to go.
edited 21st Aug '14 7:33:43 PM by nrjxll
"In distress", my ass.
^ I just searched the site for both the Wiki Word version of Ships That Pass in the Night and the spaced out one, and neither came up with any hits in this thread.
Of course, that it didn't find the current discussion doesn't suggest one put a lot of faith in the custom google site search... 
edited 21st Aug '14 7:40:35 PM by Nohbody
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"In distress", my ass.
Calling:
- Noble Bigot: Added 19th Aug '14 at 10:09:49 PM, 13:0
- Evil Mentor: Added 19th Aug '14 at 06:41:31 PM, 12:0
- Good Adultery, Bad Adultery: Added 19th Aug '14 at 08:15:52 PM, 5.5:1 (13)
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I remember Ships That Pass In The Night coming up (though I can't swear it was this thread), and it was decided it could use cleaning up, but was never actually crowned or voted on.
...na, I'm not rephrasing that.
No, the other one.
Anyhow, those ships aren't passing anymore.
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"In distress", my ass.
Is there anything to salvage in the RL section of Days of Future Past? I'm not even sure where to begin with cleaning up that formatting trainwreck, and it's primarily because at first glance I can't really figure what's actually relevant to the trope and what's shoehorning.
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I chainsawed it into a small statue of a bear standing on its hind legs.
No, the other one.
There are legit examples there, but yeah, mainly a trainwreck of formatting in the first bullet. Many of those are their own examples.
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I really don't think they are examples. Basing a new society on some of the ideals of an older one is very different from fusing futuristic tech levels with an ancient social /economic/ governmental system. The trope is about doing the latter. The Founding Fathers weren't trying to recreate Rome or Greece.
edited 23rd Aug '14 1:18:51 AM by Madrugada
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No, the other one.
I'd disagree, but I don't really care enough.
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The only example left looks a bit like an Invoked example to me.
EDIT: Not exactly invoked, but some combination between it and Enforced. Though, the definitions are hard to apply to this case because RL has no author.
edited 23rd Aug '14 7:54:15 AM by desdendelle
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"In distress", my ass.
Boarding School of Horrors added to the crowner by DracMonster, FYI, after it came up in Ask The Tropers.
edited 23rd Aug '14 12:01:47 PM by Nohbody
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Actual Pacifist seems to have the issue that it attracts nothing but general "examples" and natter.
Ape Shall Never Kill Ape has the same problem. Overly general examples and so. much. natter.
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
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Have to agree with the foxy one above, which is why I voted down Dirty Cop. However, I do like her suggestion about making RL entries only ones that have been through the courts and the person actually convicted, to cut off generic examples and gossiping about RL people.
edited 19th Aug '14 10:06:13 PM by Nohbody
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