Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
Everything is Everything
Nay-Theist, Evil Stole My Faith, Hollywood Atheist and so on. If it's considered unfair to condescend against religious people, then it should be considered unfair to condescend against the irreligious, as well.
I can't deal with these forums; they anger up the blood too much.
Horny Vikings. The RL section is a complete a total mess, being more suitable to a Useful Note, if anything. Does anyone else have any feelings on this one?
My alignment is Chaotic Cute.
Perhaps some of it could go in Analysis?
No, the other one.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Well, there's certainly enough material for a Useful Note. I don't think all of it should necessarily be removed, though.
Zzzzzzzzzz
Non of the Real Life section is an example. Whether it's a better fit in analysis or Useful Notes is a toss-up.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
We seem to be lacking a Useful Notes page for Vikings, and making one just for Viking Helmets seems a bit to specific to be worth the while of a wiki like this.
Sorcerer in training
Calling:
Evil Is One Big, Happy Family: Added 30th Jan '14 at 10:58:16 PM, 15-0
Kill Em All: Added 31st Jan '14 at 06:41:36 PM, 12-0
Foregone Conclusion: Added 31st Jan '14 at 06:44:17 PM, 12-0
Invincible Hero: Added 31st Jan '14 at 06:44:52 PM, 11:1, 11-1
As for Have a Nice Death, it's been stable at 1.67:1 for some time now, so it probably won't be NRLEP'd.
(Now to do all the other stuff that needs to be done with those pages... How does Nohbody do it!?!)
Edit: [noreallife] markup inserted. Real life sections removed. Edit reasons and notes on discussions referring people to this thread left.
And it looks like it's getting on time for a new crowner, and I have no bloody idea how to do that. Help please?
edited 3rd Feb '14 7:45:17 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Have a Nice Death doesn't even have a real life section.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
Nor should it. And now it never will.
![[down]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_down.png "[down]"){kind=icon}
Oops. Never mind.
edited 4th Feb '14 7:16:40 PM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Sorcerer in training
I didn't NRLEP Have a Nice Death because it didn't hit the 2:1 vote ratio needed under the rules and guidelines.
@Very Melon: Sometimes tropes are preemptively NRLEP'd for various reasons, ranging from calling RL people evil, to being potential Flame Bait, to all sex and rape tropes (avoiding one potential source of Content Violations), to avoiding natter and edit wars. Some tropes have been NRLEP'd right out of YKTTW after discussion there. As Kill Em All showed, some people will ignore the definition of the trope and run with other meanings, even if they don't apply in that context.
It's simply a safety (and cleaning) measure for the tropes involved, and any new tropers who might see those pages early on and think that's acceptable, because they don't know yet.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
Nay-Theist, Evil Stole My Faith, Hollywood Atheist:
Maddy: "Non of the Real Life section is an example. Whether it's a better fit in analysis or Useful Notes is a toss-up."
Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds, General subpage: In violation of TV Tropes' "No general examples" rules.
Any other thoughts, contributions, or objections before I put these in the crowner?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Everything is Everything
Sorry, I made a mistake. Hollywood Atheist already is a No real life examples, but the summation is still condescending, as though anyone who doesn't believe are morons and are all shoehorned into one stereotype. I almost wish it'd just go away and become part of the Permanent Red Link Club.
I can't deal with these forums; they anger up the blood too much.
Sorcerer in training
If the summation is a problem and is an example, pull it to discussion and state why in both the edit reason and on the discussion page.
If it's in the description, I'm not sure what to do. If it were me, I'd start with a query on Ask The Tropers.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
If it's a description problem, there's the Trope Description Improvement Guide to discuss how to address issues like with Hollywood Atheist.
As for a new crowner, How Crowners Work talks about how to make a crowner in general. For this thread you'd use the "PageAction" type of crowner, though at 10 entries before those new additions Candi talks about (more on that below) it's a bit earlier than a new crowner is normally made.
As for the suggested crowner entries:
- Nay-Theist, Evil Stole My Faith: I'm fine with listing those, as the religious beliefs or lack thereof of real life people is beyond the wiki's mission.
- Awesome Mc Cool Name: While technically In Universe Examples Only would be a better fit for that trope, as Fighteer suggests, there's not an IUEO maintenance thread so this one will have to do. Just make sure to note in the crowner entry that "up" votes are for making the trope In Universe Examples Only.
- Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds: The description itself focuses on the "villain" thing in the third and fourth paragraphs.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]")
for a crowner entry for WDOW.
edited 5th Feb '14 8:29:37 AM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Doesn't IUEO and NRLEP mean the same thing?
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Moe moe killing machine
Not exactly. Real Life can have In-Universe examples of certain tropes if they happen at the right moment. For example, if someone with a name people think is really cool lampshades it at certain moments, that would count as an In-Universe example. The difference between definitions is very subtle.
"Suffer a vicious person and you will fear vice. Suffer a virtuous one and you will soon loathe virtue itself." Tony Duvert
Lost in Space
Right. In-Universe means someone is actively trying to create, exploit, or otherwise utilize the trope. We apply it to many tropes that are considered too volatile to allow as Audience Reactions.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Sorcerer in training
Nohbody, you're back!
How do you DO this job? It's harder then it looks. ![[awesome]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/minis/award_star_gold_3.png "[awesome]"){kind=small}
I wasn't sure if the crowner was getting too full already. That one's on me.
I hope I didn't screw anything up.
Edit: Nay-Theist, Evil Stole My Faith, Awesome Mc Cool Name, and Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds added to the crowner.
Edit 2: And timestamped. Sigh
edited 5th Feb '14 6:37:34 PM by Candi
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
"In distress", my ass.
About a dozen or so entries is when we start looking at closing a crowner out, after that point the already called issues make it obnoxious to get to still active entries.
As for how I do it, plenty of copy/paste and a mildly OCD-ish state prone to leading to fits of apathy (hence occasional absences). 
Also, when doing time stamps, you should take them from the server time, which you can see when looking at an entry's history (the little book-looking icon). While having the exact second down is a bit of Ludicrous Precision, by using the server time (Pacific time zone) there's no question about which time zone is in effect.
For formatting in general, you can always look at previous entries for how to format it... or the histories of the new entries after I fix them, following the sending of this post. 
(Note that the double-backslash gets chopped down to a single one by the server code, as part of a fix for an earlier issue IIRC.)
edited 5th Feb '14 8:51:46 PM by Nohbody
All your safe space are belong to Trump
Sorcerer in training
(Headdesk) How did I forget the dates. Thanks for fixing that.
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Sorcerer in training
The Problem with Pen Island: Is the RL folder just really messy, or is it me?
Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Yes, I agree with you... Shall we add this to the new corner?
edited 7th Feb '14 8:05:05 PM by kokoroanime
Wide Eyed Wonderman
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Well maybe split?
David Bowie 1947-2016
Actually, one subpage was cut and it was the one with the most inbounds. Now, that one was cut for a preceding cut request that was unrelated to this thread.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman