This is the sticky thread for questions related to the namespacing of works. As in, "which is the right namespace for this work?"
Ideally, questions already answered are covered on the Namespace Map. If you know a namespacing issue has already been resolved, but it is not yet documented on the Map, please update the Map.
If you want to suggest a new namespace, don't post here, but in Suggesting New Namespaces
instead.
For easier reference, I've numbered my questions:
- #1: Where do animated films go? They seem to be distributed rather inconsistenly over Film/ (Puss In Boots, Whats Opera Doc), WesternAnimation/ (Disneys Anne Frank, Snow White), Anime/ (Princess Mononoke) and Disney/ (Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs, Der Fuehrers Face).
- #2: There are a few songs which have their own pages ("Pirate Jenny"). Where do they go – to Music/ or to Literature/ ?
- #3: Where do composers go – to Music/ , or are they to be treated like other creators, which hitherto stay on Main/ ?
- #4: Where do Talk Shows, Game Shows and News Broadcasts go? I guess you could call these formats Live-Action TV but they're not really "TV series", as in Series/.
- #5: Am I right in assuming that Puppet Shows go to Series/ ?
- #6: What about “hybrid shows”, i.e. segment shows that incorporate both live action and animation? (e.g. Die Sendung Mit Der Maus)
- #7: Where to put picture books? I am thinking of books like Der Struwwelpeter and Max and Moritz — books that are really not complete without their illustrations. They are not (yet) ComicBook/s, but to sort them under Literature/ feels a little unsatisfactory too.
- #8: The rule is to put works into the namespace of their original medium. However, once in a while there is a work which is little known in its original medium, and almost exclusively known by its adaptation. I’m thinking of Das Boot, for example: there's a novel, but it is almost exclusively known by the Petersen movie.
- #9: Should One Book Authors who are invariably tied to a single work be treated as a creator or a work page rather?— Currently, we have Samuel Pepys and Herodotus, but shouldn't these pages be at Literature/The Diary of Samuel Pepys and Literature/The Histories rather?
- #10: There are cases where I’m unsure whether to use the English or the original title. Is there are hard rule that determines whether Der Ring Des Nibelungen goes to Theatre/Der Ring des Nibelungen or Theatre/The Ring of the Nibelung? Even Wikipedia uses the original title.
I'd be grateful for input.
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Nov 9th 2023 at 8:15:08 PM
The more important question is, which version is the TV Tropes page actually about? If it's about a TV series, it belongs in the Series namespace, regardless of whether the series is based on something from another medium.
From a quick look, it appears Gossip Girl is about the TV series, so it belongs at Series.GossipGirl. If somebody wants to start a new page at Literature.GossipGirl for the books, there's nothing stopping them.
The Vampire Diaries is trickier, because it's got sections for both the books and the TV series, so it can't be copied straight into a namespace; somebody would need to split it up and put part of it at Literature.TheVampireDiaries and part at Series.TheVampireDiaries.
World's Toughest Milkman
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Or just move it to Literature.The Vampire Diaries for now, and have Series.The Vampire Diaries as a redirect until someone decides to take the time to split.
When we have a single page for a work that's appeared in multiple media, we are always supposed to have the main page at the namespace for the original. The Anime/Manga folks are doing a great job with this. The rest of us...not so much. :/
(I've actually got a sandbox page where I'm trying to collect pages where the wrong namespace is used: Work with Other Medium Originals. Once I get enough examples, I plan to start a separate special efforts thread about it.)
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
This post is correct. It should be in Literature.The Vampire Diaries with Series.The Vampire Diaries as a redirect.
In uffish thought
Where do Na No Wri Mo and Script Frenzy go, and do they go in separate places to each other? They are both related to writing, but Literature/ and Script/ — if such a namespace has been made official — don't work, since they are not of themselves in those mediums. They're self-challenges that don't really have a medium; Website/ also doesn't work, since NaNo was around before it made its own website, and again it's a challange rather than a work as such.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Neither the reason for creating a work nor the quality of it effect the namespace.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
World's Toughest Milkman
Those aren't works. I'd either consider them publishers and put them in Creator, or just make them Useful Notes, or, possibly, repurpose them as indexes.
Useful Notes, fer sure.
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Ok, not exactly the right thread, but...
does Content Usage Guidelines go to Administrivia/, Sandbox/ or the Cut List?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I'd say Sandbox/ or Cut List. It's clearly outdated, as our license has been updated to include the "non-commercial" clause, which that page doesn't take into account.
edited 19th Nov '12 12:50:54 PM by Nocturna
Regarding misplaced medium originals, a big one is Axis Powers Hetalia. The anime is an adaptation. Hetalia began as a Japanese webcomic and then eventually went into manga print.
edited 23rd Nov '12 4:52:00 AM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
I've never heard of Axis being a webcomic. Perchance that is the reason for the namespace.
On another note, Model United Nations - where does that go?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Model United Nations looks like Useful Notes. It's describing a nonfictional organization, right?
Rhymes with "Protracted."
World's Toughest Milkman
Feel free to add it to Sandbox.Work With Other Medium Originals, if you're sure. I'm the creator of the page, but I claim no ownership. I would actually like to encourage people to contribute.
edited 25th Nov '12 4:11:16 AM by Xtifr
Speaking words of fandom: let it squee, let it squee.
We have a weird question here.
When the anime for Chuunibyou Demo Koi Ga Shitai began airing, it was put under Light Novel/ as it was adopted from a Light Novel of the same name. After unofficial translations of the light novels started to circulate, we have noticed that the animated has greatly changed the story that the anime looks a lot more like an Alternate Continuity.
Right now, we in the work thread made a consensus to move the work article to the Anime/ namespace and reserve the Light Novel/ article when someone feel like troping for the light novel.
Does precedents like this exist? If not, is this permissible?
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
World's Toughest Milkman
I would say no (though I'm just this guy), but I would also say that if you have enough information to know the light novel is different, you should have enough information to make at least a very basic page on the light novel, and a separate page for the anime. But you shouldn't get rid of the light novel page. If you only have one page, it should be the original medium page. But you're more than welcome to have two pages.
If there isn't enough information for the light novel, we can't make a page.
If adaptations vary, we do split them. Manga.Fullmetal Alchemist and Anime.Fullmetal Alchemist cover two different stories. Same for most of the Yu Gi Oh franchise, (ex. Anime.Yu Gi Oh GX and Manga.Yu Gi Oh GX.)
edited 26th Nov '12 12:07:51 AM by lu127
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
Sandbox.Namespace Map has been removed. While we wait for restoration, do we agree to put it into Administrivia/ so that it doesn't get lost again?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The case is, what has been circulating were just excerpts of the novel. No troper has been able to read the full novel yet, so there's no way to trope for it. If the current content in the lightnovel/ is moved to anime/, then the lightnovel/ would be more or less a stub ([title] is a continuing 2011 Light Novel written by Torako and published by Kyoto Animation. It was loosely adopted into a 12-Episode Anime in the Fall 2012 Anime season...) unless someone can trope for it later.
In that case, is splitting still feasible?
edited 26th Nov '12 6:05:51 AM by SamCurt
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra Nova
Don't think there is a point on splitting based on excerpts just yet.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
Didn't know who to report this to, but since this topic seems related, the Main page for Touhou is locked when it should probably be a redirect.
Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.
World's Toughest Milkman
No, we're trying to avoid having redirects in main. Unless you need to make a disambiguation page or something, it should be fine the way it is.
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
Uh, could I please be directed to whatever thread it was in which the reasons for complicating the wiki in this way were explained? :/
EDIT: tl;dr: Why? I see no point in this.
edited 27th Nov '12 7:15:24 PM by Artemis92
Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.
Because they encourage laziness in wicking. We have changed the policy again, though, but we won,t restore the redirect.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Cogito Gratia Cogitan
So, Touhou's page will just always take that many more keystrokes to link to for no reason, while most other pages still have redirects (the entire point of which is ignored by this ruling), and while the current policy is that Main redirects are not being purged?
I'm sensing irony in the reasoning behind this ruling, by the way. It is almost as amusing as said ruling is irritating.
edited 27th Nov '12 11:22:14 PM by Artemis92
Ponders too much; thinks too little. Currently goes by Knowlessman.
On The Vampire Diaries, Wikipedia says "loosely". On Gossip Girl, Wikipedia says that the adaptation is quite different in the story line.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman