Many of the examples confuse it for another trope (New crowner 4/4/12): Adult Child

Hmm? I don't think anyone said anything about that. I understand that they are different and I think Manchild should be gender neutral too if it's not already. It's just that Adult Child is getting heavy misuse for Manchild, a childish adult in general and Kiddie Kid (which is a relatively new trope) along with other tropes. This is probably because the name is quite vague and doesn't point at interaction with children being the source for childishness, which is the main thing that separates Adult Child from Manchild.

Also, Manchild is preexisting term with an established meaning. Adult Child's term literally means an adult child (and that is People Sit On Chairs) which is different from what it's being defined on this wiki and what it's being used for here. Merging them, in my opinion will cause more confusion, because while Manchild and Adult Child are conceptually similar and they have subtle differences and different narrative purposes.

edited 4th Apr '12 1:40:36 PM by Oreochan

Bumping for more votes.

Calling the crowner as 14:2 in favor of renaming.

Do you think Has The Heart Of A Child works as a title?

Maybe, but it sounds like an adult who is deep down a kid at heart, rather than hanging out with kids leading to immaturity.

Also, we have to fix the subpages as well. I just changed the laconic a few days ago from this:

An adult character who is pretty immature.

to this:

An adult character who becomes more immature due to interaction with children.

The Playing With page is wrong and seems to be describing Manchild. Maybe we can move it to Manchild along with a few minor tweaks and make a new one from scratch? I plan on taking the image to Image Pickin', since it's just a guy eating a bowl of candy and sweets with chocolate syrup.

Once we rename the trope, I'm going to curate the page. I think there are less than twenty examples that are actually the trope. The only examples that seem to fit the trope in the anime and manga section seems to be the Sensei-chan type characters.

Do we have a supertrope/index for all these tropes that deal with not acting, looking or thinking your chronological or biological age? There are at least seventeen tropes that deal with this: Adult Child, Manchild, Kiddie Kid, Psychopathic Man Child, Immortal Immaturity Wise Beyond Their Years, Brainy Baby, Acting Your Intellectual Age Never Grew Up, Creepy Child, Older Than They Look, Younger Than They Look, Age-Inappropriate Dress,Tyke Bomb Really 700 Years Old, Adorably Precocious Child and maybe Blank Slate and Token Mini-Moe.

If we don't, do we need it?

edited 5th Apr '12 3:22:50 PM by Oreochan

Agree on moving the Playing With. I would have sworn we had that index, but I don't see it. If we don't have it, we should.

I think this is a pretty bad case of Missing Super Trope Syndrome if we don't have the supertrope. People are misusing adult child because it vaguely sounds like most of the tropes I listed and those sound specific enough to avoid most of the shoehorning. The other tropes also cause some confusion with each other.

edited 5th Apr '12 3:16:48 PM by Oreochan

I think a clearer laconic would be:

An immature adult who spends most of their time with children.

Can we change the part where it implies that Wise Beyond Their Years is similar to this, rather than the near-complete opposite?

Yes, we should.

@55: I don't see what Token Mini-Moe has to do with not acting/looking your age. Perhaps you wanted Adorably Precocious Child?

I don't mean directly related to them but distantly connected, since they can sometimes be Older Than They Look but that trait alone is not required to be a Token Mini-Moe.

I've been seeing the Token Mini-Moe TRS play "ring-around the rosie" ad-nauseum at the thread's climax with this trope. So, the description is hammered in my head.

Also shima your laconic is better.

edited 5th Apr '12 7:07:36 PM by Oreochan

I don't think the adult is necessarily immature; "Adult that spends time with younger people and shares their interests."

I agree with that. The adult just has to be progressively turning into one of the younger group's members or at least be considered to be part of their play circle.

Anyway, anyone wanna take a stab at the supertrope/index in YKTTW?

edited 5th Apr '12 8:28:23 PM by Oreochan

I would suggest splitting this into two pages: one about an adult who spends time with children and one about an adult who is intellectually mature but chooses to behave like a child. The latter can be distinguished from Manchild, which is someone who is both emotionally and intellectually a child.

edited 6th Apr '12 7:35:10 PM by Kossmeister

That could work. The first is Friend to All Children though. Man, these tropes need to point to supertrope. Can we tweak One of the Kids to be a little more clear by adding just in front in crowner? If no one comes fourth I will start an index in YKTTW after the Cellphone tropes get split.

edited 7th Apr '12 9:13:30 PM by Oreochan

Calling the crowner in favor of One of the Kids

I moved Adult Child to One of the Kids, did the indexes and now moving the subpages. I'll be removing non and bad examples from the page and cleaning the wicks but I have to do homework now.

Could I move the Playing with and the quotes including all the ones on the quotes tab to Manchild? Because they appear to be describing that trope.

Should Adult Child be made into a redirect for Manchild now, if the majority of existing wicks are incorrect use?

I think that might be a good idea.

Maybe, but that should probably be done after all the wicks are checked and there are a lot of wicks. But on second thought wouldn't people be confused if they found it was a redirect and think that it was merged with Manchild? Anyway, I'll get right to cleaning the examples on the page.

edited 18th Apr '12 7:56:25 PM by Oreochan

I moved the Playing with a Trope subpage to Manchild and cutlisted it. I'm still combing through the article for misuse (wrong examples are still being added) and the wicks to Adult Child are down to 1139. I guess could use some help so this thread will get resolved).

So basically, before the rename, Manchild was about immaturity, Adult Child was about who you associate with, and yet the difference in titles seemed less like it was about that and more like it was about gender.

Now that the latter has been renamed, should the former be renamed as well? I think renaming it to Adult Child would actually result in a higher number of wicks being correct. When I saw the trope in its former name, I too got the impression from that and the image that it was about immaturity. Adult Child (or perhaps Childish Adult with Adult Child as a redirect) makes more sense to be about immaturity than about who one associates with. (It's also more gender-neutral, which in this case is a bit of a plus as it removes the room for "but wouldn't a female manchild go on adult child" confusion.)

I believe "manchild" is a preexisting term for what the eponymous trope is about.

1190 wicks left here.