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Split into 'Library that has everything' and 'Magical library': The Library Of Babel get usage counts

 101 Septimus Heap, Wed, 12th Dec '12 11:59:01 AM from Zurich, Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
Christmas worms
The lack of links aside, I don't see anything complaintworthy there.

 102 Another Duck, Wed, 12th Dec '12 1:23:33 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
Other than changing it to, "It's also usually relatively easy to access so it gets a sizable amount of visitors, " sure.
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 103 shimaspawn, Wed, 12th Dec '12 1:28:46 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] Actually, get rid of that line entirely because it's contradicted by the description later on. Accessibility is highly variable depending on universe. I know more hard to access examples than easy to access ones.

edited 12th Dec '12 1:29:50 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 104 Oreochan, Wed, 12th Dec '12 1:41:05 PM from Pennsylvania
Sooo... this with the links added back in and the line about accessiblity removed?:

A library that contains any informational source no matter how useful, and is probably the largest and most elaborate library known to man. This labyrinthian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for MacGuffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality-Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along with other things can all be found here. Because of its wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast.

Often times this is guarded by a Magic Librarian or other force. Sometimes there will be a struggle with another group trying to obtain the same information, sometimes in a physical fight, but just as often with a Battle of Wits. If you're lucky, you'll find what you need. If you're not, it may turn out to be a Blank Book all along.

In many works, this setting is either very hard to get to, long forgotten, or rumoured to be a myth. In sci-fi and High Fantasy works, however, the library can be quite well publicized, and it's sometimes a big tourist destination.

Please note that the library has to be a physical establishment and is located in a single place. Things such as the internet (which doesn't have a reasonable fraction of anything anyway) do not count.

edited 12th Dec '12 1:41:32 PM by Oreochan

"Learning without thinking is labor lost. Thinking without learning is dangerous."
 105 shimaspawn, Wed, 12th Dec '12 2:46:17 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] That's great. Go with that version.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 106 Another Duck, Wed, 12th Dec '12 2:53:13 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[tup]
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[tup] except one minor wording nitpick: The internet doesn't have a reasonable fraction of everything anyway.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 108 Xtifr, Mon, 14th Jan '13 7:34:53 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
With Arcades' change (which seems to have been incorporated), I'm good with that.

eta: actually, the part about "located in a single place" might be iffy. I think some of them move around and/or can be summoned and/or exist in multiple places at once (one of the element's of Pratchett's L-Space). If that could be phrased in a way that doesn't emphasize "single", it might be better. But that's really minor, and not worth holding things up for. Only fix it if an easy fix springs to mind (which it doesn't for me).

edited 14th Jan '13 7:42:08 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 109 Another Duck, Mon, 14th Jan '13 10:05:40 PM from Stockholm Relationship Status: In season
No, the other one.
[up]Can you summon those from different places in that universe, at once, or do you have to travel to a certain location?
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[up][up]Is it like a pocket dimension that can "attach to" any one spot in the regular world?
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
 111 Xtifr, Tue, 15th Jan '13 3:10:34 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
L-Space protrudes into multiple different dimensions. Various libraries (and some musty old bookstores) are simultaneously part of it and part of the world where they manifest. If you wander too far, you can get lost and end up coming out in some other universe entirely.

One of Tom Holt's books does have an example that can be summoned from anywhere, although I suppose that's technically just the entrance, and you could still say the library itself has one (pocket-dimension) location. I'm more concerned about L-Space, since Discworld is an extremely popular and well-known (and increasingly imitated) work.

edited 15th Jan '13 3:14:18 PM by Xtifr

"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 112 shimaspawn, Tue, 15th Jan '13 5:15:31 PM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
How about the library must not be split up into multiple smaller libraries but instead be a continuous entity. So you can have a huge connected library, but not a bunch of smaller branches.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

-Philip K. Dick
 113 Xtifr, Wed, 16th Jan '13 2:31:48 PM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
[up]That would work.
"Existential Despair" is an oxymoron.
 114 Marq FJA, Fri, 15th Feb '13 1:27:25 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Are we going to rename this to Great Big Library of Everything, or is there anything else left to do before that?

edited 15th Feb '13 1:27:34 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 115 Macron Notes, Fri, 15th Feb '13 2:19:13 PM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Before the rename, a new description was going to be used instead of the one on The Library of Babel. After the rename comes sorting the examples and wicks between Great Big Library of Everything and Magical Library (which shouldn't be too hard). The last revised draft of the new one was on post 104. Since a few tropers above suggested a change to the last line in the draft... here it is.

A library that contains practically any possible/concievable information source known to man note . This labyrinthian library seems to be a natural breeding spot for MacGuffins and it has just about all of life's secrets and answers. The Great Big Book of Everything, Big Book of War, Reality-Writing Book, Portal Book, and chronoscopes along with other things can all be found here. Because of its wealth of knowledge, the library is a very valuable information resource for the main cast.

Often times this is guarded by a Magic Librarian or other force. Sometimes there will be a struggle with another group trying to obtain the same information, sometimes in a physical fight, but just as often with a Battle of Wits. If you're lucky, you'll find what you need. If you're not, it may turn out to be a Blank Book all along.

In many works, this setting is either very hard to get to, long forgotten, or rumoured to be a myth. In sci-fi and High Fantasy works, however, the library can be quite well publicized, and it's sometimes a big tourist destination.

Please note that the library must not be split up into multiple smaller libraries but instead be a continuous entity. So you can have a huge connected library, but not a bunch of smaller branches.

edited 19th Feb '13 9:20:35 PM by MacronNotes

 116 Marq FJA, Fri, 15th Feb '13 2:36:28 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Make it "contains practically any possible/concievable information source (or seems to, at the very least, in which case the subversion of expectations would cause in-universe shock/disbelief)" and you got my personal 10 out of 10 seal of approval.

edited 15th Feb '13 2:37:29 PM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 117 Macron Notes, Tue, 19th Feb '13 9:48:20 AM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
[up] Changed the opening sentence in the draft([up][up]) to that. Anything else or is that good enough?

 118 Marq FJA, Tue, 19th Feb '13 9:58:50 AM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Well, put the stuff in the parentheses within note markup to save visual space, and move "known to man" before said note, and I'd say you're set to go.

Like so:
A library that contains practically any possible/concievable information source known to mannote .

edited 19th Feb '13 10:00:08 AM by MarqFJA

Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 119 Macron Notes, Tue, 19th Feb '13 11:58:52 AM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
[up] Done that.

 120 Marq FJA, Tue, 19th Feb '13 12:26:14 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Uh, you forgot to move "known to man" to before the note. Its look right now, placed after the note, is rather awkward, IMO.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 121 Macron Notes, Tue, 19th Feb '13 9:54:18 PM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
[up] That mistake has been fixed too.

 122 Macron Notes, Tue, 5th Mar '13 12:40:34 PM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Sooo.. Any more feedback for @115?

 123 Marq FJA, Tue, 5th Mar '13 12:49:39 PM from Saudi Arabia Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
O' Allah, save Egypt
Is good IMHO.
Ash-shaʻb yurīd isqāṭ ḥukm al-ʻaskar
 124 Macron Notes, Thu, 21st Mar '13 8:32:06 PM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
Given that there were no opposition for the revised description on @115 and this thread is almost two years old and needs to move on, I will create Great Big Library of Everything (a redirect of Library of Babel as of this post) using that description and try to sort the examples on Library of Babel using that description tomorrow.

edited 21st Mar '13 8:33:27 PM by MacronNotes

 125 Macron Notes, Fri, 22nd Mar '13 6:30:34 PM Relationship Status: Mu
Formerly known as Oreochan
I made Great Big Library of Everything and tranplanted the image and quote from Library of Babel. I haven't the examples over yet or shift all of LOB's indices to GBLOE (but I will do that soon). Now, the next thing that needs to be done is sorting the examples between Great Big Library of Everything and Magical Library. I'll create a sandbox for that.

EDIT: The sandbox is at Sandbox.Great Big Library Of Everything. I'll start sorting soon. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

edited 22nd Mar '13 8:22:57 PM by MacronNotes

Alternative Titles: The Library Of Babel
13th Feb '12 10:49:34 AM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous crowner showed consensus support for making "library of everything" and "magical library" tropes. This crowner is for voting on the name of the "library of everything" trope which will take on the concept of a library that contains every work in existence.
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