Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

I assume so. Anime Tropes probably has had the greatest misuse of this kind, but there's enough things out there like Saving the World that every medium tropes index should be given an inspection.

I tried to get a Medium Mechanics Index up and running, but nothing ever came of that YKTTW.

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Hm, I'd like some advice from Japanese live action fans, does Phenotype Stereotype show up in live action works?

Anyway, updated as follows:

Paper Cutting moved to Japanese Visual Arts, 100% of western examples were misusing it for using paper as a weapon. Might need to TRS and rename because of that.

Petal Power moved to Japanese Visual Arts because it's a symbolism thingy with cherry blossoms. It likely needs a wik check to see if it's getting misused as "using petals as weapons". If so, renaming may be in order.

Other three moved to bottom of list. Love interest for only having Raso comment on it, Paper Master for no one commenting on origin, and Phenotype Stereotype for not having input from live action fans.

Next batch:

• Pointless Bandaid This looks like a Japanese greeble.
• Portmanteau Series Nickname Seriously?
• Pretty Freeloaders
• Quivering Eyes I'm almost positive I've seen this in oldschool black and white cartoons. Unless it's not about sadness.
• Rain Aura I'm not sure who first started doing this in animation. The page claims it's based on a real life effect, wouldn't that make it chairs?

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• Phenotype Stereotype is not confined to Japan. Even in American media the Irish are depicted as Green Eyed Redheads. Germans and Scandinavians are always blue eyed blonds. Asian characters always have black hair, rarely ever even a brown, and black eyes. It's largely an animation trope, but it happens with casting as well, especially in American media.
• Pointless Bandaid has a decent number of non-anime examples and would likely get more if it was wiked on non-anime pages.
• Portmanteau Series Nickname: This seems like it's just be fans shortening the name of a series. I don't see why that would be confined to anime. Calling Buffy The Vampire Slayer Buffy seems like it would be an example.
• Pretty Freeloaders: The core of the trope seems to be a character that mooches off other characters. I have no idea why this is written as specific to harem anime. It should be a general trope.
• Quivering Eyes: Came from very early Western Animation and is still used in it frequently. Really shouldn't be written as an anime trope.
• Rain Aura: This shows up in live action films all the time because it's a real life thing. It really is written very narrowly and has almost no examples or wiks. It needs love.

edited 19th Oct '11 11:37:39 PM by shimaspawn

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How is Portmanteau Series Nickname even a trope?

I think it's one of those fandom thingies that got started well before we realized the fandom doesn't matter. It needs to be removed one way or the other. I wouldn't object to seeing it cut though.

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very much disagree on Phenotype Stereotype its just Not A Trope anywhere else (but a few more racist works like Nazis and that specific stereotype is not used here) but in Japanese drawn works its a GD rule that rarely has exceptions (those exceptions are usually purposefully trying to avoid this... I would say rename or trope transplant but this as it is is Japanese specific.

Portmanteau Series Nickname: Japanese titles can be absurdly long or unpronounceable and some series become collectively known as a Portmanteau (this is started in universe or by the Japanese.) these can take over for their official name too.

Pocket Monsters-> Pokemon, Pokemon is the series nickname (used in The Merch and such too) in Japan and was brought to the US using it as its offical title to prevent conflict with something that was also called Pocket Monsters and Digimon followed suit.

Futari Wa Pretty Cure... Precure this is also in-universe and The Merch etc. The series is actually better known as Precure and official title of the latest two series Heartcatch Precure and Suite Precure.

Baka To Test To Shoukanjuu ... Baka Test used in universe too in the next episode preview with a voiceover saying "Baka Testo"

Kujibiki Unbalance -> "Kuji-un" Kuji-un was used before we actually saw what the show was.

Ore No Imouto Ga Konna Ni Kawaii Wake Ga Nai! -> "Ore Imo" yeah look at it also used in ads and advertised as such [1]

Onii Chan No Koto Nanka Zenzen Suki Janain Dakara Ne -> Onii Koto

Also just "Buffy" is Not An Example a Buffy one would probably end up looking like Buff Slay.

The American equivalent is using initials like CSI for CSI or Star Trek TNG or wow for World Of Warcraft.

edited 20th Oct '11 3:52:43 AM by Raso

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Edit: Sorry, never mind. Misread.

@153 Deboss: According to the description, Petal Power is "using petals as weapons". The Japanese symbolism thing with cherry blossoms is ... Cherry Blossoms. The misuse is to use Petal Power to mean "symbolic Cherry Blossoms".

edited 20th Oct '11 1:44:59 PM by Antheia

It's not Japanese specific when it shows up completely casually in Western works. You might notice it more in anime, but it shows up in almost all animated works and a decent percentage of Live Action works.

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The "rude blond American" character in anime and manga (possibly other Japanese media as well) is common enough to be a trope of its own. Phenotype Stereotype is neither anime-specific nor Japan-specific, but some of the stereotypes it covers are.

I'm inclined to agree with Raso on Portmanteau Series Nickname. It seems like primarily an anime thing that might incidentally show up in the West as well.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Either way, I still don't see how it's remotely a trope.

I will admit that there are probably Japanese specific subtropes to it, but the trope itself is not.

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If it's semi-official (like Kare Kano), it's a Title Trope. Otherwise, if it's purely a fandom thing, it's Trivia.

TRS for a split, then?

Maybe a split, but at least a general description clean up. I'm not sure that the subtropes really need their own pages looking at the length.

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I seem to recall Phenotype Stereotype being a new name chosen over in TRS for some incredibly obtuse one. I think we went a little too broad, but I might be misremembering it.

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Nope, the YKTTW says this was always the name. And that it wasn't intended to be anime specific. That happened later.

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Hm, I must be confusing it with a different one then. Bah, all these tropes running together.

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Except there is not a single western example in it and western examples do not mean the same thing and Blonde hair blue eyed meaning American or British (Or just plain westerner if the work wants to not specify a country) does not mean the same thing to westerners which would be P So C (and never used for Americans). as well as Japanese works set in the west do not follow this often its only if they are solo and outside their home country and more prominent with women as you can see their eyes better. And even with You Gotta Have Blue Hair or Implausible Hair Color Blonde hair / Blue eyes is usually reserved for this.

[1][2] Pick out the American.

Thats not even getting into the whole There Are No Blacks In Anime thing... and if they do they are never from Africa they are always African-American.

There are a decent amount of these too like Dark Skinned Blonde is India, Southern China or from a Pacific Island.

And as I said earlier maybe Trope Transplant or split, hell it might be better to create an index with cultural stereotypes as viewed by other cultures with Japanese Phenotype Stereotypes as a subtrope.

Many of which are official [3]◊ or semi-official like their creator will use it on twitter or used in promo stuff and ads and such... but the big thing is that its syllabic which is something completely off base with English.

General series nicknames and such would be a different trope that should probably be ykttwed as I do see some misuse here that are not a Portmanteau.

edited 21st Oct '11 9:35:27 AM by Raso

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I honestly don't care about the differences between English and Japanese variants of the Portmanteau Series Nickname - you do make a good case for those differences existing, but it's besides the point, which is that I fail to see how this is remotely a trope, even when it's 'semi-official' (if it's actually official, then it's not a 'nickname').

The whole Japanese vs English thing I was talking about the whole Portmanteau thing.

That pic the series full name is still Pretty Cure just Precure is spelled in English below it, it is still a nickname for it. older series spell Pretty Cure [1]◊ [2]◊ [3]◊ [4]◊ in English, the two newest ones do not [5]◊ (missing an image for Suite Precure). (its a bit messy.)

Anyway Yes its a YMMV or Trivia if its not used by the show itself (Ascended or created by the show). but if its used in-universe by the show or ads for the show and such it is a trope (IE: Ore No Imouto Ga Konna Ni Kawaii Wake Ga Nai This is the ''official'' English streaming site and they use Ore Imo. Baka Test is used at the end of every episode of Baka To Test To Shoukanjuu.)

edited 21st Oct '11 4:04:21 AM by Raso

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I wouldn't be averse to simply cutting it.

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Okay, updated.

• Petal Power
• Pointless Bandaid
• Portmanteau Series Nickname
• Pretty Freeloaders
• Rain Aura

All moved to "remove", with Pretty Freeloaders doubling up in TRS for a transplant or whatever.

Quivering Eyes moved to Animation Tropes.

New batch:

• Red Eye: some sort of insult. I've never seen this anywhere but Japanese works.
• Rules Of Anime (Just for Fun page I think) Just for fun page pointing out tropes that are acknowledged. Not actually a trope, more like a work to me.
• Running Sequence Hmmmmmmm, I think we need to TRS this. The name makes me think too much of a Training Montage involving running.
• School Swimsuit (does anyone else do this, or is it just Japan?) is this even a trope?
• The Seven Mysteries (what the hell? Think this is chairs)

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• Red Eye: Japanese cultural insult. Shows up in other works, but only ones that focus on Japanese culture.
• Rules Of Anime: This should be a workish page similar to the Evil Overlord List.
• Running Sequence: This is a common way of doing credits in anime. It's very much a thing and I don't think I've seen it outside of it. Needs a better name though.
• School Swimsuit: Seems to just be about the stock costume. Needs a better name to indicate that but that particular uniform is Japanese. Other uniform swimsuits show up in Western works, but they aren't that swimsuit.
• The Seven Mysteries: This is a weird Japanese thing. I remember seeing it in Kindom Hearts 2 among other works. Needs a better description.

edited 24th Oct '11 8:14:11 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick

The Japanese term for that specific type of School Swimsuit is Mizugi, I believe (and its actually extinct in Real Life, but that's neither here nor there). Though the page itself says Sukumizu, so I'm not sure.