Cleaning up : Anime Tropes

It was suggested on the Japanese Tropes YKTTW that the name Japanese Media Tropes might be better as it excludes tropes about Japan from the outside, opinions?

I like Japanese Media Tropes.

Japanese Media Tropes sounds good to me, too.

I thought we were already going with Japanese Media Tropes, really.

Righto, launching to Japanese Media Tropes. Redirect Japanese Tropes as well?

BEGIN THE PURGING OF THE ANIMETROPES WIKS!

The related page. I'll get to work on the wicks to the Anime Trope singular redirect, myself.

Although should the wicks be outright deleted, or changed to one of the new indexes?

edited 8th Jan '12 6:41:53 PM by nrjxll

New index if it fits, delete if it's using it wrong.

We've currently got four indexes to choose from: Japanese Media Tropes (the top), Stock Japanese Characters, Japanese Visual Arts Tropes, and Japanese Animation Tropes.

Japanese Media Tropes doesn't have an index. Where should it go?

Also, I'm thinking of deleting most of the tropes on Anime Tropes and then putting a note "this is becoming a disambiguation page, please put any new tropes on the following page it fits on" type of thing, good?

I thought Japanese Media Tropes was going to be an index of its own.

I eliminated the first dozen or so uses of Anime Trope (up to Gratuitous English), except for Adonic Meki and Anime Tropesdiscussion (which do not exist) and Foreign Sounding Gibberish (which is a redirect to As Long as It Sounds Foreign and appears to be a phantom wick).

Foreign Sounding Gibberish still had text associated with the page (you could see it if you went directly to the edit page). I deleted the text, so the wick should be gone.

EDIT: And I took care of the two phantom ones, too. (Null edit, set page type (so it doesn't show up in the list of pages needing types), and add to cutlist.)

edited 9th Jan '12 4:00:34 PM by Nocturna

It is, but it should be on an index as well. Do we want a Tropes By Country index?

Don't think so, but if you make one, we've got British Media Tropes that can go on it too.

edited 10th Jan '12 7:25:03 PM by NoirGrimoir

Are there any other sub indexes that should go on Japanese Media Tropes?

Also, I went ahead and deleted all the entries under the various sections.

Let's see if we can finish sorting these.

• Widget Series
• Adjective Noun Fred
• Airplane of Love (might be Japanese symbolism, might be general)
• Bishie Sparkle (origin? might need TRS)
• Bishōnen Line (not sure on origin, might be from Japan)

Widget Series: strikes me as an audience reaction first and foremost. Namely, it's about what amount to popculture reference series. Perfectly happy plopping it in Japanese Media Tropes. We may also want to look into a Pop Culture Nod Work index.

Adjective Noun Fred: definitely a language trope. Is there any indication of other languages doing this? If not, I'll plop it in Japanese Media Tropes unless we have a Japanese Language Tropes page, which I guess is where all the Japanese Stock Phrases would go.

Airplane of Love: can anyone confirm an early example of this in live action or from outside Japan? If not, I'm going to drop this into Japanese Visual Arts Tropes. Do we have a Japanese Stock Symbolism index?

Bishie Sparkle: I'm getting conflicting information on this. While using a light to say "this character is attractive" is positively ancient, I generally see stuff like a Gausian Blur or a Slow Motion Strut in western works, but the romance genre isn't something I pay a great deal of attention to. If it's just the visual equivalent of the same thing, I'm inclined to split based on the visual effect the same way we have both Light Bulb Over The Head and Beam of Enlightenment.

Bishōnen Line: haven't a fuckin' clue on origin. I've only ever seen it in Japanese works, but I suspect this is because I don't see a great deal of battle transformations as a whole outside of Japan. The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the one in Sword In The Stone and that was more Tactical Rock–Paper–Scissors than this. The closest I see in western works is when there's some kind of demon army or something and the really humanoid one is the commander/caster compared to the giant minotaur thingy and the horde of ghouls.

Also, if anyone would care to fill in the summaries on the various indexes just launched, feel free.

edited 10th Jan '12 8:43:44 PM by Deboss

• Widget Series probably needs a TRS, even if only to officially expand it to "any weird culture," since that's how its being used. Unless...I'm gonna bring it up over in Trope Description Improvement Drive, see what they think. Either way, it should probably stay since it originated in Japan.

• Agree with Bishie Sparkle. The Japanese version is different from the Western version. Probably need a supertrope.

• Bishōnen Line is...tricky. Very tricky. It's definitely much more common in anime, and I'm not convinced most of the non-anime examples on the page are even correct...I don't know.

The rest I have no idea.

Widget and sparkles need supertropes IMO.

Line though IMO it needs to be split or softsplit into the two types the actual line of getting progressively prettier and the goes all Guro till the final form when they go all pretty again.

Note: our article and trope originating about Japanese stuff are two different things. Is the original concept of some freaky culture show that is full of pop culture jokes something from Japan or is Japan the latest version that caught on?

Moves made. Widget Series, Adjective Noun Fred -> Japanese Media Tropes. Airplane of Love, Bishie Sparkle, Bishōnen Line -> Japanese Visual Arts Tropes.

Next batch:

• Cast Full of Pretty Boys (remove. While it's definitely popular in Japan, this is likely as old as someone figuring out that large amounts of attractive men will put female butts in seats, and thus likely predates Japan)
• Finger-Suck Healing (dunno if this really is really that specific. sucking on sore fingers has been around for quite a while, definitely a Romance Trope, any clue on origin or Japanese Media Tropes?)
• Giving Up the Ghost (can anyone bring me an old western version? The phrase is ancient, but I'm not sure on the specific visual aspect. Otherwise, Japanese Visual Arts Tropes)
• Instant Cosplay Surprise (perfectly happy calling this Japanese Media Tropes)
• Kamehame Hadoken (origin on posture? Japanese Media Trope, Japanese Visual Arts Trope, or other?)

Cast Full of Pretty Boys is pretty generic. Most shows aimed at women has this.

I've seen Finger-Suck Healing in a large number of Western works. I've never seen it in an Eastern one though I've been assured it exists there. My Super Ex Girlfriend had an example as did My Best Friend Is A Vampire.

Can't help on the other three.

Both of them moved.

Next pair to make up for them:

Last Episode Theme Reprise (this seems like an instance where a show uses their op (not necessarily a theme song), as background music, most western works I'm familiar with use music without vocals, which is the easiest way I spot this)

Lightning Glare (I've only seen this in Anime/Manga, but I want to be sure that's where it actually originated)

Giving Up the Ghost is common in Western animation, but judging by the article, it may be used differently in animé and manga. In Western instances, it seems to be used mainly when a character actually dies or very nearly dies (an example from The Simpsons had Homer having a heart attack and a transparent Homer leaving his body, only to be called back when hearing someone mentioning food), whereas the Japanese instances seem to have the trope occurring for more frivolous reasons (merely fainting, etc.).

With Widget Series, maybe it could become two tropes. There's there "really weird, perhaps culturally specific work" that applies to multiple cultures, but I also think that there's sometimes an Only In Japan idea similar to Only in Miami.

This might intersect with the Animeland concept- basically, whenever there's a news-story about someone marrying a fictional character or some weird robotic invention from Japan, it gets this reaction.

edited 22nd Jan '12 10:14:47 AM by Jordan

Do we have the standard Out Of Body Experience trope for the western version? Otherwise, I'm inclined to put the Giving Up the Ghost in Japanese Visual Arts Tropes since that's what it seems to be. Hm, I do recall it being used vaguely in some old comedy cartoons where a character would fly apart when frightened to a degree.