Trope Description Improvement Drive

Ate His Gun meanders a bit about US suicide statistics when the trope is about a specific type of suicide.

Also, Five Rounds Rapid meanders a lot without clearly explaining the trope.

Bat Family Crossover describes how the trope plays in Batman related examples instead of explaining what the trope is.

Kabuki Sounds' description is too anime-focused even for a trope specifically based on Japanese culture. The definition, obviously very far from comprehensive, doesn't quite seem to agree with the usage in the example section; in particular, the "drum that sounds like a woodblock" (for which okawa does not seem to be a common name) often gets far more than "one or two quick strikes." The site linked at the bottom of the description is way too general a resource to help explain the trope.

edited 13th May '16 10:03:00 AM by Prfnoff

It honestly looks more like a Useful Notes page to me.

I disagree with it being a useful note. Properly used, it is a sound effect/music trope used to invoke certain moods in a given cultural context. Like a Rimshot. It does seem to have attracted a minor amount of misuse (I don't think Law And Order was basing anything on Japanese theater) but not a huge amount.

edited 13th May '16 10:56:47 AM by Catbert

This paragraph was included recently in Greater-Scope Villain: "A series-wide Big Bad who isn't involved in a specific installment. One good example is The Emperor in A New Hope, who ultimately steps down to Big Bad status in the later movies."

Opinions?

Specific examples shouldn't be referred to in the description section.

Yes. That is Example As Thesis. Remove it and leave an edit reason explaining how examples should not appear in trope descriptions.

Okay, thanks.

Incredibly Inconvenient Deity has a rather rambling description. I can't even tell if God is supposed to be one of the Jerkass Gods or if it's a secret test of some sort.

I want to take whoever added giant tables of statistics to the descriptions of Improbably Low I.Q. and Improbably High I.Q. and drop kick them into the ocean. But since I can't do that, anyone object if I settle for moving those tables to Analysis?

edited 5th Jun '16 9:14:10 AM by TotemicHero

Might be fun for analysis but yeah, those shouldn't be in the description proper.

The Finicky One has a very bare-bones description that assumes the reader already knows the trope, and the examples list is full of ZCE.

Improbably High I.Q. and its inverse are taken care of. (I looked at UsefulNotes.IQ Testing and concluded that it covered the same info as the charts without, you know, being a giant chart, so I just removed them.)

The comments in this ykttw draft points out that the description can be a better substitute for Common Knowledge's description.

So... would it be eligible?

edited 20th Jun '16 1:21:10 AM by DAN004

It certainly is eligible. But I do not think it is in any way better.

But Not Too Evil have the following paragraph:

"Despite the snarky tone we're taking here, this trope is not necessarily a bad thing. No matter how clear a series makes it that the villain is not to be admired, some evil acts genuinely aren't appropriate for all audiences. This is why fairly light kids' shows like Scooby-Doo have their villains committing the more mundane crimes (theft, fraud, etc.) rather than the more disturbing ones (rape, graphic torture, etc.) "

Opinions?

^ I don't see an issue with it. Some tropes do have a tendency to be used for Complaining, so a Tropes Are Not Bad notice would be warranted in such cases.

And the "snarky tone" in the description?

Honestly, I think it would be far better to just junk the description entirely and rewrite it in a more normal fashion than to be snarky and then suddenly apologize for it at the end. I have a feeling that page is pretty old.

Currently Negate Your Own Sacrifice seems to be rather needlessly limited to character death cases, i.e negating someone's death-by-sacrifice. I say this because someone made a ykttw for non-death cases and I think NYOS needs a good expansion.

Thoughts?

Sounds like missing supertrope syndrome.

Herr Doktor goes on a tangent about the history behind the trope's origin that eats up most of the description. It's interesting and all, but I think it might be unnecessary and probably better off under Analysis (that's a good place for it, right?) and/or shortened.

edited 16th Aug '16 10:32:43 PM by Karxrida

This thread can cover TLP, right? Because I have a trope Ditzy Secretary that I just cannot come up with a half-decent description for. What I've got so far is just a copy of the laconic.

Assuming this trope is meant to be Always Female, here's my take: