It's not it's own genre.: Real Robot Genre

So a better word is needed. "Real Robot" doesn't mean anything in English beyond "a robot that is real."

^^^ The word for 'real robots' is 'robots.'

No, Eddie, its not. There are tons of robots, many of which are far, far more "realistic" than say, a Gundam, that are most certain not "Real Robots" (note the capitalization)

Eddie, its a pre-existing term. Could you please grant that we may know more about these things than you do? Please?

edited 5th Aug '11 1:30:41 PM by SakurazakiSetsuna

Please, the point is that the words 'real robot' do not name what you are talking about. Which seems to be a particular class of mecha in animation.

Except that they do.

You don't get to say that a term, which has been around for 30+ years doesn't mean what it means. You may not like it, but you don't get to change the facts of the matter.

-face-palm-

Again Eddie, pre-existing term. People don't call the genre "Robot", nor they refer to the mechas as just "robots". It's too general of a term.

Thinking about it, do we have a page for Robots in general? Our Robots Are Different?

EDIT: It looks like it applies to a film.

edited 5th Aug '11 1:34:16 PM by chihuahua0

This 'pre-existing' only exists in your ghetto, dude. Wake up. Not everyone speaks anime jargon. People that do speak anime jargon don't even use the same vocabulary, or agree on what the vocabulary mean.

...no. You are wrong. Quite frankly you attitude insulting and condescending. You clearly have no interest in taking our arguments seriously or doing even a modicum of reasearch to learn about this.

Why should we even bother with this sort of thing if you are just going to show up, ignore our points, tell us we are narrow minded and exist solely within a bubble, make an arbitrary decision and then ignore our protests?

"Real Robot", just like "Super Robot", is a decades old industry term. It has an accepted definition, is understood by anyone with experience with Japanese Mecha Anime, and is not something we just made up to piss you off, though thats what you seem to want to believe.

And yes, I know this will get thumped, but it needs to be said.

Our readers are not going to "do research" to read our articles.

You guys are going to have to realize that this wiki is not about the private language of the anime industry.

And you have to realize that if you are just going to ban anime entirely from the site, go ahead and do it. Don't tell us we can't use our terms because "Oh no someone might not know what they mean!" well no shit. Thats the point of having the articles to begin with.

No one knows what jack shit means until they learn it, this applies to anime, movie, book, whateverthefuckyouwantobringup terms.

Your double standards are blatant, offensive and are beginning to make portions of this site an unpleasant place to visit.

People on both side of the issue can say that.

To put it in more simpler terms, it's like calling a Superhero a hero, when the word "hero" is much more general than that. For example, a large robot is different from a Terminator-type robot, or a cute robot, or a plain-old robot that could be created today.

And the "real" part of Real Robot much stay, to disguish it from Super Robot, which is also a pre-existing term.

edited 5th Aug '11 1:57:49 PM by chihuahua0

Except that there isn't an admit stomping into non-anime threads, ignoring the points being made, and insulting the people in the thread.

Thats a major freaking difference.

"Real Robot" has no meaning other than the current definition. Sure, you might think it means something else, but so what? You'd be wrong, and you'd learn that when you went to the trope page.

How is "Real Robot" any more obtuse than "Heel–Face Turn"? I had no fucking clue what that was when I first heard it, but hey, now I do! I learned something. Saying you don't expect people to learn things on a goddamn wiki seems incredibly, hilariously self-defeating.

Fast Eddie, I think that I have to disagree with you on this. Dismissing a term that has been around for decades and has a specific meaning within the demographic for a particular medium as "opaque" or irrelevant and insisting that another term be used instead despite being wide open to misunderstanding, simply because of what genre it is is not good for the wiki.

Using that same reasoning, the only people who care about the difference between Clock Punk, Diesel Punk and Steampunk are people who read science fiction, and therefore those names should be discarded as well. In fact, the whole X-Punk name family should be discarded, since it's a niche genre, and it really doesn't have much of anything to do with "punk" at all. Or, we should dump the whole camera tricks index into the rename bin; after all, most people don't have a clue what an Multi-Take Cut is, and only a few more care.

I recognize that you're trying to stop the unbridled spread of anime/manga terms into areas that they don't belong, but surely, the anime and manga genres themselves can be called what their producers and consumers call them?

Madrugada got it down. Theres No Such Thing As Notability, Fast Eddie, especially in this case. And accuracy is as important as clarity, sometimes even more so. There's a line between Real and Super, and ignoring it is a bad idea.

edited 5th Aug '11 2:08:15 PM by chihuahua0

Mickey Mousing isn't clear to people who don't follow the field of music soundtrack, but it's a term that's established.

And is if anything, worse since it's character named and has pretty much all of the bad parts of those kind.

Is it used in marketing? Real Robot is, as far as I know.

You still have to fix those costumized titles.

edited 5th Aug '11 2:16:20 PM by chihuahua0

Okay, I see some good points there. Let me ask, though ... is there some place on the wiki where wikiword "Real Robot" is not used with the word genre nearby? If the name of the thing is Real Robot Genre, shouldn't that be the name of the trope?

Is there a place where the word 'genre' has to be added to 'Clock Punk' to make it clear what is being referred to?

edited 5th Aug '11 2:16:34 PM by FastEddie

Yes, there is both "Real Robot" the genre/setting, and Real Robots, the actual mecha themselves. They are related, but need to be separate.

Similarly with Super Robot and Super Robots.

Very few people add "genre" to the name of the genre, no matter what genre they're talking about.

"The Wind And The Lion is a Romance movie"; "The Bourne Supremacy, a Conspiracy Thriller by Robert Ludlum..."; "Girl Genius is something between Clock Punk and Steampunk; the Foglios prefer to call it Gaslamp Fantasy". None of those would be improved by tacking "Genre" on after the genre name.

In most cases, the context of the sentence will make it clear whether it's the character type or the genre that's being referred to. If you see a sentence that talks about the Power Rangers' Combining Mecha, is it likely that you'll think that it's talking about the genre rather than the machines themselves? Or vice versa, if the sentence says that the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers is one of the first Combining Mecha series to gain a mainstream audience in the US, is there much chance that someone will read that and think it's talking about the robot?

edited 5th Aug '11 2:35:20 PM by Madrugada

I've generally heard to the genre as "show" as in Real Robot Show.

We can do a wik check if necessary and point anything that refers to the genre to the genre page, and turning it into an index listing the works.

{Since you start out by acknowledging that it's "kind of resolved", please don't throw fuel in the embers. — Madrugada}

But honestly guys, I think we should soft-split Real Robot and Super Robot as well, like I suggested for the Mecha Show page (which if we just put it on the Mecha Show page there would be no need to add 'genre' onto anything), and if we need to, make additional pages to fit all the examples. It just makes sense to explain the difference between the two on one page instead of two. Right now the checklist (which is a great checklist by the way) is under Super Robot and not Real Robot. You have to go to the Super Robot page to really see the differences.

edited 5th Aug '11 3:20:35 PM by Madrugada

Eddie vs. Setsuna, round #1313.

Anyway, the correct term for the genre is Real Robot, not Real Robot Genre, but as we have noticed with a lot of examples, it's seriously misused. (Which means that the forced custom title is bad and needs to be scrapped.)

Its was on the first page, but since no one has bothered to address it three pages later I'll ask. Exactly what is a "vanilla" Military Science Fiction Work? I want that defined first.

Second, real robot is a type of machine, that's what the real creators say it is. The games categorize Super Robot and Real Robot by individual model, not by series. Which leads to confusion when series like Neon Genesis Evangelin appear in the games, if you're treating as a genre term and not a make and model tern. As far as Genre, Evangelin's is giant monster attacks akin to Godzilla and Ultraman. Macross's is to Starcraft's and Halo's fighting aliens. Gundam's is to Command and Conquer or Metal Gear, on how the opponents are still human, technology has just made war worse.

They all have "real robots", but the later two series have super robots too, and they definitely are not in the same sub genre of Military Science Fiction. What is "vanilla" military science fiction anyway?

edited 5th Aug '11 4:41:03 PM by Cider

Hm, just calling it Mecha Show has appeal to me. It's a general area with a very broad terminology. I do think Super Robot Genre is a different genre, since it's been mentioned it's more related to superheroes than to regular old scifi.

Edit: a standard Military Science Fiction story is one where the characters are primarily involved in a military setting and will likely feature a big epic battle as the climax. It's generally a subgenre of action and science fiction. If you want, Band of Brothers is a Military show, but not lacks the science fiction component. There's subgenres that you can divide depending on the military aspect focused on.

edited 5th Aug '11 4:39:22 PM by Deboss