DEATH BATTLE

That's if Mercer can rip Cletus in half - the original symbiote was bonded to his bloodstream and emerged when he was injured in his human form. Seeing how the symbiote he found in the Negative Zone has ditched Kasady a few times this may not the case for it, although Venom hinted that the second Carnage symbiote combined with the remnants of the first Carnage symbiote. Regardless, as Carnage Cletus is far stronger than Alex is. As for the Sentry, Robert Reynolds is a Physical God who can Curb-Stomp Battle the Hulk if his Superpowered Evil Side takes over, so you can't really compare Mercer to him. Military intervention would count as outside interference, and I doubt Alex will be getting any snacks as that would count as outside interference as well. Furthermore, even if civilians were allowed to be present, Mercer's disguise abilities wouldn't help him seeing how Carnage is an Omnicidal Maniac who would just butcher the crowd wholesale regardless of whether his enemy was present or not.

I compiled a list of facts and feats for Mercer and Kasady. If anyone wants to double-check or add anything, feel free.

Alex Mercer

• Backstory
  • Former GENTEK scientist
    • Genius-level intelligence
    • Worked on the BLACKLIGHT virus
    • Tried to blackmail GENTEK and was killed
    • Unleashed BLACKLIGHT on New York and his corpse was infected by the virus and revived
  • Personality
    • Had post-traumatic retrograde amnesia
      • Regaining memories causes intense pain
    • Initially a ruthless psychopath with no qualms about massacring innocents but developed a conscience after absorbing thousands of people
    • Lost his faith in humanity and came to believe the Infected are superior to humans
    • Planned to take over the world using BLACKLIGHT
  • Family
    • Dana Mercer – younger sister
    • Elizabeth Greene – progenitor of the BLACKLIGHT virus
• Avatar of the BLACKLIGHT virus
  • Codename ZEUS
    • Entire body, including clothes, composed of viral biomass
  • Powers and Abilities
    • Massively enhanced strength
      • Can lift approximately 62 tons
      • Able to kill ordinary humans with glancing blows and punch through 2 feet of solid steel
      • Can jump at least ten stories into the air
    • Enhanced durability
      • No longer possesses internal organs or bones
      • Can fall from any height and be unharmed
      • Can shrug off small arms fire and withstand direct hits from missiles and tank shells
      • Cannot swim because his body is so dense
    • Healing factor
      • Slowly regenerates damage outside of combat
      • Augmented by consumption
      • Can heal from a shotgun blast to the head in seconds
      • Can regenerate from a nuclear explosion
    • Enhanced speed and reflexes
      • Can outpace most vehicles
      • Skilled parkour artist
    • Voluntary shapeshifting powers
      • Can consume the biomass of other living creatures
        • Regenerates damage
        • Assimilates knowledge and skills
        • Can assume their form as a disguise
      • Claws
        • Turns his arms into four-fingered talons
        • Fast but weak
        • Cannot easily damage armoured opponents
      • Groundspike
        • Stems from Claws
        • Tunnels biomass underground and projects numerous large spikes to impale opponents from below
        • Forces Alex to remain stationary
      • Hammerfists
        • Turns arms into heavy, armoured appendages
        • Very slow but very powerful
        • Can easily destroy even heavily armoured vehicles
        • Can be used to launch himself fist-first at an opponent
          • Leaves him vulnerable if it misses
      • Musclemass
        • Doubles Alex’s strength
        • Ineffective against armoured opponents
      • Blade
        • Transforms Alex’s right arm into a 4-foot long blade
        • Faster but weaker than Hammerfists
        • Slower but stronger than Claws
        • Can easily cut through flesh, metal, and bone
      • Whipfist
        • Turns Alex’s right arm into a telescopic tentacle with three short claws
        • Can extend and retract rapidly
        • Can be used as a grapnel for grabbing opponents, buildings, and vehicles
      • Devastators
        • Used when Alex has consumed more biomass than he can handle
        • Tendril Barrage
          • Alex unleashes a flurry of tentacles from all over his body, impaling everything around him
          • Weak against armoured opponents
        • Groundspike Graveyard
          • Alex tunnels his arms into the ground and projects a forest of massive spikes around him
          • Effective against armoured opponents
        • Critical Pain
          • Alex launches a focused mass of biomass from his hands at an opponent
        • Deals massive damage, but easy to miss
      • Shield
        • Turns Alex’s left arm into a large, thorny black shield that absorbs all damage
        • Can be used as a battering ram
        • Can be worn down by continuous damage or broken by missile fire
      • Armour
        • Covers Alex’s body with a durable exoskeleton
        • Vastly reduces damage taken
        • Greatly impedes movement and agility, but allows him to easily shove foes aside
      • Heat vision
        • Sees into the infrared spectrum
      • Infected vision
        • Allows him to see those infected by the BLACKLIGHT virus and tap into the viral hive mind
      • Can climb up walls by extending tendrils from his feet into the surface
      • Can glide by altering his mass and ejecting droplets of biomass for propulsion
      • Possesses the knowledge of hundreds of scientists and high-ranking soldiers
      • Is a skilled tank, jet, and helicopter pilot
      • Skilled in the usage of firearms
      • Can infect others with the BLACKLIGHT virus
        • Can control BLACKLIGHT monsters
• Feats
  • Engineered the BLACKLIGHT virus
  • Directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of thousands of people
  • Defeated and consumed Elizabeth Greene and the Supreme Hunter
  • Survived a nuclear explosion
  • Devastated New York City twice
  • Infiltrated Blackwatch and GENTEK with Evolved spies
  • Conspired to spread BLACKLIGHT worldwide

Carnage

• Background:
  • Real Name: Cletus Kasady
  • Personality:
    • Remorseless psychopath whose philosophy is to prove to the world that laws are useless and morality is meaningless
    • Killed hundreds of people, including his own grandmother
    • Burned the orphanage where he was raised to the ground
    • Will not hesitate to betray “allies” for personal gain or amusement
• Host of the Carnage symbiote
  • Spawn of the Venom symbiote
  • Equally as insane as Cletus
  • Bonded to Cletus’ bloodstream
    • Can reform if Cletus is cut
  • Covers Cletus in red-and-black symbiotic tissue
    • Grows claws and fangs
    • Bestows powers similar to Spider-Man’s:
      • Wall-crawling
      • Superhuman strength
        • Can lift between 80 and 90 tons
      • Superhuman agility
      • Superhuman stamina
        • Can fully exert himself for 24 hours nonstop before becoming fatigued
      • Superhuman durability
        • Bulletproof
        • Can survive being ripped in half
      • Voluntary shapeshifting powers
        • Symbiote can assume the appearance of clothes
        • Can project tentacles of symbiotic tissue from anywhere on his body
          • Can be used for combat or web-swinging
        • Can transform limbs and tentacles into bladed and serrated weapons
          • Limited only by Cletus’ imagination
        • Can launch projectiles of symbiotic tissue
          • Only last for 30 seconds
        • Can fly by growing wings after being augmented by prosthetics
    • Can infect others with copies of his symbiote
• Weaknesses
  • Vulnerable to fire and intense sounds
  • Insanity makes him unpredictable
  • If separated from his symbiote he is a normal human
• Feats
  • Has killed hundreds of people both as Cletus and as Carnage
  • Almost conquered New York
  • The Carnage symbiote has taken over the Scarlet Spider, Silver Surfer, and Wasp
  • Has overpowered Spider-Man and Venom numerous times
  • Survived being torn in half and spending several years in space
  • Took over the city of Doverton, Colorado
  • Defeated and infected the Avengers

edited 30th Jul '12 2:53:32 PM by Arawn444

How are you sure that Carnage is stronger than Mercer? Mercer can easily throw cars.

The Sentry ripping Carnage in half is important because he actively uses little of his power, and we don't know how much of his strength he was using. It might have been Mercer-level strength.

I'm not too sure about the full rules of Death Battle, but going by Link vs. Cloud, I'm pretty sure that no outside help is allowed. The military responding to their presence wouldn't exactly help either fighter, as they would both be bombarded with the same priority.

And there's no reason why Mercer would disguise, anyway. He'd simply go straight for the kill.

Even Spider-Man can pick up cars, so that's nothing special. I once saw one picture of Carnage using his tentacles to pick up a passenger jet - I think it was in DK publishing's Official Guide to the Spider-Man Universe (not the actual title). Regardless, Alex cannot lift an operational M1 Abrams tank, only the burnt out shell of one. An M1 Abrams weighs about 62 tons. According to the official guidebook to the Marvel Universe, Carnage can lift somewhere between 80 and 90 tons. Ergo, Carnage is stronger than ZEUS.

The military would count as "help" in the sense that Mercer could eat them and regenerate, whereas while Cletus may very well eat them he would gain no benefits from doing so. And yeah, the rules state that:

• Combatants possess knowledge of each other only if such is canon to each fighter's universe.
• The battles must end with a death, for fairness. Personality restraints from killing the opponent are removed.
• All other character traits, tactics, and attributes are not removed and are attempted to be represented faithfully.
• Research used is determined equally unless otherwise specified. e.g. If non-canon sources are used for a combatant the same is done for the other.

Not getting outside help is an unwritten rule that was established in the Vegeta vs. Shadow fight.

edited 30th Jul '12 3:16:12 PM by Arawn444

There is a difference in strength levels between "picking up a car" and "throwing a car." Mercer not being able to throw a healthy tank is merely game mechanics, as a blown-up Abrams shouldn't be much lighter than an operational one. And who said that the military would show up in person? There is a reason why BVR combat is dominating military tactics.

I doubt there can be even bystanders in the fight, let alone extra combatants. So no quick snacks for Mercer or calls for artillery.

The only exception is for space ducks.

edited 30th Jul '12 7:36:19 PM by Spirit

And what of the others killed in the Beiber vs. Black episode? Certainly Black's car-driving friend counts as "outside help" despite being completely counterproductive, and there were bystanders who were killed as a result (the Jonas Brothers, and Miley Cyrus, who technically wasn't a bystander but died anyway).

I haven't watched it (and don't care enough to do so) but I think the extra deaths in Bieber vs Black was due to the ...slight bias against all involved.

That will likely be the last time such a thing happens.

And I thought that was a parody episode.

True, but the mass of the tank all depends on how much of it is left intact. Going by the size of the explosion that occurs when you smash one up and how easily it breaks into pieces when thrown, I wouldn't say there was much left of the tanks once Alex is through with them.

As for lifting and throwing, Ultimate Venom can lift around 25 tons and can shot-put trucks like nobody's business, and both Alex and Cletus outclass him in terms of physical power. Both of them should be able to Car Fu tanks with the best of them. The difference is Carnage's max carrying capacity is around 90 tons (although as with Venom his physical prowess varies significantly) whereas Alex has no strength limits that are specified in-game, just that by the end of [Prototype 2] he was stronger than Elizabeth Greene but weaker than James Heller. As for the military intervening, I think it's unlikely as the matches thus far have been one-on-one duels or battle royales. As I said before, Carnage is completely immune to gunfire, but Alex can take a lot of damage from gunfire and had his head blown to pieces by a shotgun (I think) at one point.

edited 30th Jul '12 9:56:40 PM by Arawn444

Makes sense. Though it may not be the last time if they decide to do so against other targets (let's say, Tingle vs. Scrappy-Doo?).

Blasphemy. Everyone knows that every Death Battle is the gospel truth and should be taken 100% seriously about 120% of the time (for the time that is physically impossible for you to actually have, just try to match that figure in coolness or something).

edited 30th Jul '12 10:40:54 PM by TrashJack

I guess it'd go something like this:

Announcer: FIGHT!

Scrappy Doo: "Lemme at 'im! I'll splat him!"

Tingle: "Tingle, Tingle, Kooloo-Limpah!" *shoots confetti at Scrappy*

Scrappy: "Ta dadada ta daaa! Puppy power!" *runs at Tingle*

Ganondorf: "GRAH!" *obliterates both of them*

Announcer: KO!

On a more serious note, would the Dovahkiin be able to defeat Eragon (Saphira tag-team optional)?

edited 2nd Aug '12 6:58:11 PM by Arawn444

Maybe I'm just being obtuse, but my impulse is that Batman takes the win, since even if he doesn't have a dossier on Spider-Man, (which he should, given that they've crossed over a number of times,) he can drag out a fight and keep his distance without throwing his position. Plus, he didn't get the World's Greatest Detective title out of a claw machine.

Enough of that, how about The Doctor vs Mr. Fantastic?

I wouldn't mind a Fred vs. The Annoying Orange Death Battle. They are both intentionally irritating Internet celebrities who found their way on the major children's networks. I could be something of a joke battle like Bieber vs. Black, and who knows, they could even get the real guys behind them involved for voice work!

That would be interesting; the guy who does the Annoying Orange shorts is actually pretty good at cheap effects, if you check out his other stuff.

The Knife would win, hands down.

edited 4th Aug '12 5:29:49 PM by Arawn444

I had seen several times Alex Mercer vs Cole Mac Grath Deathbattle is suggested. Now, I don't know much about Cole Mac Grath, but I'm curious, will this battle be a good idea?

I wouldn't say so. Cole would have to keep Mercer at range if he had any hope of winning, and Mercer has a lot of ways to get close up.

Here's some data on Cole:

Cole MacGrath

• Backstory
  • Former bike messenger living in Empire City
  • Skilled street fighter and parkour artist
• Powers and Abilities
  • Above average strength and agility
  • Can take several bullets without serious harm
  • Carries the Conduit gene
    • Given electrical powers by the Ray Sphere
      • Can absorb electricity from ambient power sources to heal and recharge
      • Can leech bioelectricity from others and can heal people by stimulating their cell growth
      • Can change his punches and kicks with electricity
      • Cannot touch water or risk electrocution
• Powers/Abilities
  • Electrokinesis
    • Can launch electricity from his hands as bolts, blasts, grenades, and rockets
      • Bolts
        • Launches bolts of lightning from Cole’s fingertips
      • Blasts
        • Launches mid-range electromagnetic shockwaves
      • Grenades
        • Launches spheres of ball lightning that explode
      • Rockets
        • Launches long-range balls of lightning
      • Gigawatt Blades
        • Cole covers his arms in lightning, forming electrical blades
      • Lightning Tether
        • Used for long-range transportation
      • Ionic Vortex
        • Creates a tornado infused with lightning
      • Ionic Storm
        • Calls down bolts of lightning from the sky that strike the closest opponent
  • Electromagnetism
    • Uses his electrical abilities to generate and manipulate magnetic fields
      • Induction Grind
        • Cole is able to grind along metal wirings and train railings
      • Static Thrusters
        • Cole is able to glide in the air for a prolonged time using static electricity
      • Arc Restraint
        • Cole restrains an individual's limbs, rendering him/her immobile
      • Kinetic Pulse
        • Cole uses electromagnetism to levitate and throw objects
• Weapons:
  • The Amp
    • Two-pronged baton
    • Allows Cole to channel his electricity
    • Short range, used for melee combat

Batman vs Spiderman.....

The obvious winner is Spiderman, when you think about it, it's Batman, when you think further, it's Spidey....

To close to call. Nice pick for a fight if anything.

It's definitely Spidey. Pete is as smart as Batman, and while Strength isn't always a deciding factor, His speed and Spider-Sense would be too much for the Bat to handle.

He can dodge anything Bruce tosses at him, and even if it's an exploding batarang, Spidey would sense it.

He can use his webbing to gum up anything Batman has.

Bats would exhaust his arsenal dealing with everything Peter is capable of...

...in theory... Despite being firmly in the Spiderman camp, I can't help but think there's something I'm forgetting that might give bats a good chance, even a clear victory.

And I promise. It's not just because he's Batman.

Well, if Peter runs out of web cartridges he's SOL in the ranged department, although he keeps spares in his own Utility Belt. Yeah, I'd have to say that Spider-Man takes this, with his "Thou shalt not kill" inhibitions removed he would be a fair bit more dangerous than Batman. Even with that inhibition, push him too far and he'll put on his Black Suit, shut up, and put the "spider" in Spider-Man. Looking at incarnations of him that have lost that inhibition, like the one seen in What If? Spider-Man versus Wolverine - where he became a cold-hearted Knight Templar rivalling The Punisher in ruthlessness; and in What If? Back In Black - where he Curb Stomp Battled everyone standing between him and Kingpin - it's safe to say that Bruce wouldn't stand a chance against Peter. Although, one must ask, would removing Bruce's aversion to killing remove his aversion to using a gun?

On a related note... it's out for advantage members. Anyone here watch it yet?

edited 8th Aug '12 11:35:02 PM by Arawn444

Here it is: http://www.screwattack.com/shows/originals/death-battle/death-battle-batman-vs-spider-man

I think it's fair to say we all saw that coming.

edited 10th Aug '12 5:29:52 AM by Arawn444

Damn it! The one time I didn't want something spoiled ends up getting spoiled anyway because the damn video stops three seconds into the Spider-Man analysis and then when I start searching for a way to fix it, I see a description of the final blow! FFFFFFFFFFFFFU-

EDIT: Finally got to see it. Definitely my favorite Death Battle to date.

edited 10th Aug '12 1:13:45 PM by AkoSiKuya32

Spiderman Analysis: "More girlfriends than any other superhero."

Tony Stark and Daredevil would like a word with you.

That's why I don't read the comments until after I watch the video.

Lesse... his love interests include: Betty Brant, Liz Allen, Gwen Stacey, Marcy Kane, Debra Whitman, Felicia Hardy, Mary Jane Watson-Parker, Marrow, Carol Danvers, Michele Gonzales, and Carlie Cooper.

edited 10th Aug '12 1:36:58 PM by Arawn444