YMMV / Thunderbolts

Examples from the original series:

  • Alternative Character Interpretation: During an interview in the first issue, one of the reporters asks Citizen V if the Thunderbolts are meant to replace the Avengers. His reaction to stay silent for a few seconds, then answer that no, as he feels "the Avengers cannot be replaced". The obvious interpretation after The Reveal would be that he was lying to trick the public into trusting them, but a later issue reveals that he really was devastated by their "death" (though for completely different reasons), making you question if part of his speech to the media wasn't sincere.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Songbird is by far the most popular member and has been involved in every incarnation of the Thunderbolts, as a member or not. She is usually the represented member if the Thunderbolts are mentioned, became a playable character in the second Marvel Ultimate Alliance game and quite a few fans even requested that she make the cut for Marvel vs. Capcom 3.
      • She'll be officially promoting to Avenger post-Secret Wars 2015.
    • Moonstone is also pretty popular (albeit dangerously close to being a Draco in Leather Pants) thanks to her being an entertaining Magnificent Bastard.
    • Amusingly, these two breakout characters were chosen by Busiek for opposite reasons: he wanted to use Screaming Mimi because she was a blank slate that he could do anything with, but he wanted Moonstone because she was too well-defined and awesome a character to pass up. While neither is really a mainstream A-list character, the series put both of them on the map.
  • Family-Unfriendly Aesop: The adventure in Kosmos, after the first arc. If you have problems with the law, run away, because you will be punished, even if you are innocent.
  • It Was His Sled: The Thunderbolts were actually the Masters of Evil. Despite this, the initial twist still works.
  • Magnificent Bastard: Zemo, Moonstone.
  • The Woobie: Jolt was an orphan girl whose entire family and loved ones died in the aftermath of the Onslaught event (and on her birthday, no less), forcing her to live for a while in the ravaged remains of her town along with other orphan children. Then all of them got kidnapped by Arnim Zola, who tortured and experimented on them; Jolt was lucky enough to get superpowers from it, but her friends were all turned into deformed abominations, which she eventually saw die before her eyes. And to add insult to injury, when confronted about it, Zola reveals he was doing it to keep himself busy. The poor girl had it rough, to say the least.

Examples from the "Fightbolts" Re Tool:

  • Audience-Alienating Premise: This particular re-tool featured none of the original Thunderbolts (with the exception of Man-Killer, who showed up in the last two issues), and an entirely different premise, and was marketed as being "for real men only". To say that it didn't catch on would be an understatement.
  • Dork Age: Most Thunderbolts fans would prefer to forget that this re-tool ever happened.

Examples from the Warren Ellis Re Tool:

Examples from Andy Diggle's Re Tool:

  • Ass Pull: Because Mr. X has the ability to read people's minds and predict every move they make, excuses were constantly made for why he just got beaten, and they mostly came across as these.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Ghost went from a fairly obscure Iron Man villain to a fan-favorite thanks to his role in this series.
  • Nausea Fuel: The Ghost's lack of hygiene is sickening; after being hit with a sonic bomb by Deadpool, he threw up in his helmet and never cleaned it out.

Examples from the Jeff Parker Re Tool the Cagebolts:

  • Crack Pairing: Moonstone and Man-Thing.
    • Later, Satana and Man-Thing, which makes slightly more sense (but not that much more).
  • Crazy Awesome: Not so much a character but a concept. Using Man-Thing as the team transport. All thought up by resident mad genius Hank Pym.
    • The Raft's last line of defense against a water escape? Huge bio-cybernetic jellyfish. Also implied to have been created by Pym.
    • Luke Cage makes his introduction by jumping out of a plane and slamming to a landing. Ladies and gentlemen, your new leader...
    • Troll riding a dragon.
  • Les Yay: As mentioned on the main page, the greeting Satana gave to Moonstone.
  • Nausea Fuel: Issue 171, the issue has Songbird being kidnapped, having unsolicited brain surgery by a Mad Scientist, who looks like THIS and waking up later with his mutant minion sucking her toes.
  • The Woobie: Troll has her moments, such as the downcast look on her face shortly after getting taunted by other prisoners, or her run-in with past!Songbird, who she hasn't figured out doesn't know her yet.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks: The general reaction to Songbird's redesign.
    • Although her look was gradually shifting to her old design (that is, she's letting her hair grow long). By issue 171 when it was back to previous lengths it was reverted to a mohawk design.

Examples from the Daniel Way Re Tool aka Anti-Hero All-Star Cast:

  • Broken Base: The general reaction to the announced team was They Changed It, Now It Sucks, but after some time and a new creative many have warmed up to the team. Although a vocal faction still does wish to see a return to the original Villains forced/attempting to do good or more specifically a return of fan favorites like Zemo, Moonstone, Songbird and etc.
  • Moral Event Horizon: Red Hulk crosses it when he tries to murder Punisher just because he quits and gleefully responds to an enraged Elektra, who finds out about it shortly after, that she can't prove it and should be quite before he kills her too. Though it turns out Red Hulk was not the one responsible. He was just too proud to explain himself.
  • Nausea Fuel: Deadpool swimming naked during the Honduras arc.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: The final issue has Deadpool deliver a blistering "Reason You Suck" Speech to Red Hulk and his idea of the Thunderbolts.

Examples from the All-New, All-Different Marvel series by Jim Zub:

  • Author's Saving Throw: Issue 6 explains how Fixer got out of the Time Loop he caused during the "Cagebolts" era - turns out Kobik realized his old Thunderbolts teammates missed him and pulled him out of the Time Loop, healthy and whole.
  • Internet Backlash: The art. As soon as the cover was shown, the Rob Liefeld comparisons started. The preview page didn't help. In general, the nineties feel of it all had a lot of people saying they wouldn't try the series.
    • There is also some on Winter Soldier as the leader. Not entirely aimed at Bucky himself, but given the Bucky character was the reason Baron Zemo lost a lot of his Thunderbolts characterization for some people it's hard to accept Bucky taking control of "Zemo's team" with two-thirds of the original Zemo roster following him.
  • Narm: Thanks to the art issues (see above), we get the nineties style of nobody having visible feet 90% of the time. and when they do, their feet are deformed and weird looking.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Kobik, a Reality Warper with a four-year old's personality, is a member of the team now. She's already turned Captain America into an agent of Hydra without anyone knowing, and in the first issue she nearly killed Moonstone by ripping her power source out of her chest. All because she thought Moonstone was making a fun dare. Kobik's very vulnerable mentally, has someone who hates her on the team (Fixer), has another who's actively scheming against her (Moonstone), plus there's how her caretaker Bucky might react when he finds out what she did to Cap... Everything involving Kobik is frightening.
    • Come Issue #11, Bucky learns the truth, and even gets put through the scenario where he's "supposed" to join HYDRA, and Kobik loses it when he reacts with disgust. It's almost a tearjerker as well.