YMMV / Robin

  • Alas, Poor Scrappy:
    • No matter how much you hated Damian, his death was a real Tear Jerker
    • The same can be said for Jason Todd in A Death in the Family.
    • Even people who despise Stephanie Brown tend to hate the way she was killed off in War Games.
  • Angst? What Angst?: Go ahead. Try to find a comic with Tim Drake making a big deal over Stephanie Brown's "death". Her passing wound up being mostly overshadowed in his book by his father's passing in Identity Crisis.
  • Base Breaker:
    • The Robin identity in general. Some people think the very idea of a brightly-colored minor running around and fighting criminals is ridiculous. Others consider it a Necessary Weasel to keep Batman from getting too grimdark. Others invoke the Grandfather Clause and say that whether it makes sense or not, it's part of comics tradition and too late to change.
    • Jason Todd. Either he's a Woobie who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and heavily dependent on the writer doesn't help matters, nor does the questionable writing of Red Hood and the Outlaws or its sequel Red Hood Arsenal.
    • Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horrible character that only gets to be Robin because of his last name. However, unlike Jason, Damian has undergone significant Character Development since his debut, whereas Jason's portrayal vastly changes Depending on the Writer and thus is just as likely to have any development erased by Aesop Amnesia.
  • Broken Base:
    • For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.
    • Stephanie's Stuffed In The Fridge treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former Robin being swept under the rug in the New 52.
  • Complete Monster: Vitoria, alias The Wanderer, from Red Robin, was born in Brazil. As a young girl, she was abused by the men in the village. One day, while running from the men, she fell into a pit of venomous spiders. However, instead of dying, she gained the power to kill with a touch. After killing the men (which was justified), Vitoria murdered her mother, then went on a killing spree across South America, slaughtering people at random. When she grew bored with this, she recruited a band of likeminded Psychos For Hire, which she names the Council of Spiders, and attacked the League of Assassins for sport, butchering dozens of its members in the process, and caring not a whit for any innocents who got in the way. Buried Alive after her plot failed, Vitoria killed the man who rescued her, before announcing her intention of moving on from targeting assassins to targeting heroes.
  • Creator's Pet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Red Hood and the Outlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for Show, Don't Tell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot and partly because of some Unfortunate Implications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.
  • Dork Age: For Tim Drake, the period around 2004 to 2008 saw his Trauma Conga Line kick into high gear: his father was killed off in the controversial Identity Crisis miniseries, his girlfriend and successor Stephanie Brown was killed in the hated War Games arc, his best friend Superboy was killed off in Infinite Crisis, and his other best friend Bart Allen was killed even later. This storm of angst combined with another infamous storyline remained a stain on the character's record until Chuck Dixon, Fabian Nicieza, and Chris Yost took on the book.
  • It's the Same, Now It Sucks/They Changed It, Now It Sucks: Jason Todd got both. Pre-Crisis, he was a circus acrobat, his backstory nearly identical to Dick Grayon's. Nobody liked him. Post-Crisis, he was a juvenile delinquent living on the streets. Nobody liked him. Talk about an Unpleasable Fanbase.
  • My Real Daddy:
    • Chuck Dixon often gets this praise from Tim Drake fans, having defined the character, alongside a majority of the Batfamily as a whole, throughout the 90s and early 00s.
    • Judd Winick is usually considered this for Jason Todd, due to his "Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Red Hood and the Outlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as a vigilante gone overboard.
  • Narm: Tim Drake's identity of Red Robin can be hard to take seriously for readers familiar with the restaurant chain.
  • Never Live It Down:
    • Dick for the short-shorts and pixie boots, combined with the homoerotic subtext between himself and Batman.
    • Jason for the same costume more or less as Dick, as well as dying and being the 'asshole Robin'.
    • Tim for his angst, and his own costume choices, going from "Condom Head" to the "Swan Queen."
    • Robin in general, gets a lot of crap for supposedly being a Distressed Dude. While Dick played this role straight a lot in the 60s series and Schumaker films, generally Batman was captured with him, and in the comics themselves Dick then went on to found the Teen Titans and become The Heart of the entire DCU as Nightwing. As noted in True Art Is Angsty, some people seem to think that Robin cannot work in live action, even if they're willing to admit he could work seriously in animated or comic form (which leads to some form of Animation Age Ghetto mentalities).
  • Replacement Scrappy: Pretty much every legacy to take on the role for either the one before them, or for Dick Grayson himself. Jason got so much vitriol it lead to killing him off, Steph's still not forgiven by some hardcore Robin fans for not 'earning' the role, and a big part of the reason Damian is seen as such a Creator's Pet is because of this. Tim seems to be the only one not to be hated due to being a Hypercompetent Sidekick Kid Hero who helped shrug off the reputation of being a Distressed Dude, but even there, there is some fans who seem to see Dick Grayson as the only Robin and so hate him and the legacy for this reason (though, these are rare), and his New 52 version is pretty much this for his Post-Crisis version.
  • Rescued from the Scrappy Heap:
    • Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being The Scrappy, thanks to Red Hood and the Outlaws being considered by most to be one of DC's worst ongoings.
    • Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised Batgirl series.
    • Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a Base Breaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).
  • Take That, Scrappy!:
    • Jason Todd's death, the result of a call-in vote.
    • However, various factors have come to light which muddle the issue. Many readers at the time were children, and couldn't make the not-so-cheap phone call. Also, in an interview, Dennis O'Neil recalls hearing a rumour that one guy had his computer call the number to have Jason killed multiple times. However, a few people also thought the vote was for Dick Grayson, and voted to keep Robin alive, thinking it was him, and that is not a rumour.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks:
    • The New 52's origin for Tim Drake is heavily criticized by many fans. Pre-boot, he was an intelligent, non-athletic nice guy and Audience Surrogate who had the most "normal" upbringing of all the Robins and became Robin because he realised how important it was for Batman to have a Robin. In the New 52 continuity, he's an arrogant, friendless gymnast who has never been "Robin" and only ever been "Red Robin", he became Batman's sidekick because he wanted a challenge and his last name isn't really Drake.
    • The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in Batman: Under the Red Hood, the post-Flashpoint version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help that he's been clumsily integrated back into the Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as The Generic Guy or for The Worf Effect. That his current series is written by Scott Lobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.
  • The Woobie: All of the Robins could count.
    • Iron Woobie: Stephanie Brown.
    • Jerkass Woobie: Jason Todd and Damian Wayne.
    • In-Universe, Tim was treated this way after he lost his father, his girlfriend Stephanie, and his best friend, Superboy, all in rapid succession.
  • True Art Is Angsty: A part of the reason for so much stigma against Robin outside of cartoons and comics; the idea of Batman, a dark and brooding loner, taking on a protogé who dresses in a campy brightly coloured costume is seen as such an ill-fitting idea that some believe that Robin simply cannot work on film, and its not helped by the only time he got a 'serious' film adaptation was the Joel Schumacher films, Batman Forever and Batman & Robin, which didn't do well for his image, leading both Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan swearing against including him in their films. It should be noted that in those films and the classic Adam West 60s Batman show, Robin wasn't any worse than Batman in how he was depicted, so blaming him for it is pretty unfair.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?:
    • Dick Grayson's New 52 Robin outfit. Poor colour balance and unnecessary line work aside (that's the trend with the New 52), for some reason DC decided that a red arrow pointing towards his crotch was necessary, as if a thong would look good. Notable since Cyclops seemed to copy Nightwing's outfit when he was powered by the Phoenix Force, particularly Dick's red bird, and it seems Dick is returning the favour by taking Phoenix!Cyke's thong-arrow-thing.
    • Tim Drake's two Red Robin costumes get this reaction from different segments of the fandom: the Pre-Flashpoint one has a cowl that sometimes gets called "Condom Head" and the overall look is reminiscent of older but sometimes forgotten character Doctor Midnight. The New 52 version, meanwhile, is often seen as too busy, highly derivative, and is sometimes called the "Swan Princess" look. The former costume also extends to Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, given they both wore it, too (albeit in Dick's case, in the Elseworlds story Kingdom Come).
    • While it gets a pass generally for Grandfather Clause reasons, the classic Robin outfit is seen as this for many people. Of course, the biggest issue is the uncovered legs, and one could make the argument that many of the people who deride it often have no problem with female characters baring the look (infact, Gender Bender female Robin costumes are pretty popular in some parts for being Fetish Fuel), which leads to some Double Standard issues.
    • Inverted/averted with the Batman: Arkham Series take on the Robin costume. Both Tim's and Dick's outfits, as shown in Arkham City and Arkham Origins respectfully, are generally well received as they could easily work as film versions of the outfits.
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