History YMMV / Robin

11th Dec '16 9:09:41 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** Tim Drake's two Red Robin costumes get this reaction from different segments of the fandom: the Pre-Flashpoint one has a cowl that sometimes gets called "Condom Head" and the overall look is reminiscent of older but sometimes forgotten character Doctor Midnight. The ''New 52'' version, meanwhile, is often seen as too busy, highly derivative, and is sometimes called the "Swan Princess" look. The former costume also extends to Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, given they both wore it, too (albeit in Dick's case, in the {{Elseworlds}} story ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'').

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** Tim Drake's two Red Robin costumes get this reaction from different segments of the fandom: the Pre-Flashpoint one has a cowl that sometimes gets called "Condom Head" and the overall look is reminiscent of older but sometimes forgotten character Doctor Midnight.Midnight, but without anything to break up the black (Midnight had a crescent moon and green goggles). The ''New 52'' version, meanwhile, is often seen as too busy, highly derivative, and is sometimes called the "Swan Princess" look. The former costume also extends to Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, given they both wore it, too (albeit in Dick's case, in the {{Elseworlds}} story ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'').
5th Nov '16 6:29:03 PM Berrenta
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: A part of the reason for so much stigma against Robin outside of cartoons and comics; the idea of Batman, a dark and brooding loner, taking on a protogé who dresses in a campy brightly coloured costume is seen as such an ill-fitting idea that some believe that Robin simply ''cannot'' work on film, and its not helped by the only time he got a 'serious' [[InkStainAdaptation film adaptation]] was the Creator/JoelSchumacher films, ''Film/BatmanForever'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which didn't do well for his image, leading both Creator/ChristianBale and Creator/ChristopherNolan swearing against including him in [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy their films]]. It should be noted that in those films ''and'' the classic Adam West 60s ''Series/{{Batman}}'' show, Robin wasn't any worse than Batman in how he was depicted, so blaming him for it is pretty unfair.

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* TrueArtIsAngsty: A part of the reason for so much stigma against Robin outside of cartoons and comics; the idea of Batman, a dark and brooding loner, taking on a protogé who dresses in a campy brightly coloured costume is seen as such an ill-fitting idea that some believe that Robin simply ''cannot'' work on film, and its not helped by the only time he got a 'serious' [[InkStainAdaptation film adaptation]] adaptation was the Creator/JoelSchumacher films, ''Film/BatmanForever'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which didn't do well for his image, leading both Creator/ChristianBale and Creator/ChristopherNolan swearing against including him in [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy their films]]. It should be noted that in those films ''and'' the classic Adam West 60s ''Series/{{Batman}}'' show, Robin wasn't any worse than Batman in how he was depicted, so blaming him for it is pretty unfair.
19th Aug '16 11:37:20 PM KingDyste
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** The original Earth-2's Robin first costume as an adult, a bizarre mishmash of Robin and Batman's designs, having Batman's bodysuit, boots and gloves with Robin's domino mask and cape, with a mixed logo. Thankfully it was switched fairly soon afterwards to a better outfit (the same one used by Robin in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold''), though the ''Convergence: Detective Comics'' tie-in brought back this outfit, which is even derided in-story.
29th Jul '16 7:59:33 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.



** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).

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** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter (although, like Jason, he still is one).
23rd Jun '16 3:16:51 PM flyingfishcake
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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.

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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing widely panned writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.
11th Jun '16 11:48:35 AM flyingfishcake
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** There have been multiple moments in which Damian, a character that's very notable for being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, [[CurbStompBattle beats the hell]] out of Jason, a character that has remained TheScrappy for so long.
10th Jun '16 6:04:23 PM flyingfishcake
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.



** While Judd Winick brought Jason back in ''Under the Red Hood'' is Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him as an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws

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** While Judd Winick brought is usually considered this for Jason back in ''Under Todd, due to his "Under the Red Hood'' Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlawsa vigilante gone overboard.



** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.



** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well due the wildy different takes among the writers that have used him or the bias against his series' writer, Scott Lobdell.

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** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well due well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, the wildy different takes among the writers post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help that have used him or he's been clumsily integrated back into the bias against Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That his series' writer, Scott Lobdell.current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.
9th Jun '16 9:19:45 PM MagBas
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Jason Todd got both. Pre-Crisis, he was a circus acrobat, his backstory nearly identical to Dick Grayon's. Nobody liked him. Post-Crisis, he was a juvenile delinquent living on the streets. Nobody liked him. Talk about an UnpleasableFanbase.
5th Jun '16 9:58:45 AM Tzitzimine
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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. ** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. BaseBreaker Robin.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.
5th Jun '16 9:56:08 AM Tzitzimine
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.



** Judd Winick is usually considered this for Jason Todd, due to his "Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as a vigilante gone overboard.

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** While Judd Winick is usually considered this for brought Jason Todd, due to his "Under back in ''Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison Red Hood'' is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him as a vigilante gone overboard.an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws



** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being considered by most to be one of DC's worst ongoings.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being considered by most to be one of DC's worst ongoings.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.



** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, the post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help that he's been clumsily integrated back into the Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That his current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.

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** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, well due the post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help wildy different takes among the writers that he's been clumsily integrated back into have used him or the Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That bias against his current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.series' writer, Scott Lobdell.
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