History YMMV / Robin

9th May '17 7:36:45 AM Killerikala
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** Inverted/averted with the ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'' take on the Robin costume. Both [[InTheHood Tim's]] and [[MovieSuperheroesWearBlack Dick's]] outfits, as shown in ''Arkham City'' and ''Arkham Origins'' respectfully, are generally well received as they could easily work as film versions of the outfits.

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** Inverted/averted with the ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries'' take on the Robin costume. Both [[InTheHood Tim's]] and [[MovieSuperheroesWearBlack Dick's]] outfits, as shown in ''Arkham City'' and ''Arkham Origins'' respectfully, are generally well received as they could easily work as film versions of the outfits. Tim's outfit did have FingerlessGloves that ruined it for many for obvious reasons, but his ''Knight'' look is considered an improvement for looking like armor instead of cosplay and giving him full gloves.
28th Mar '17 1:20:46 AM flyingfishcake
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). It often shows up in the form of characters created for the sole purpose of CharacterShilling, or by downplaying other characters to make Jason look good. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.
10th Mar '17 2:03:55 PM flyingfishcake
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** Fans who prefer one Robin over another get pretty furious whenever their preferred Robin is shown to be weaker than another. In online communities, Jason Todd fans launched multiple hate campaigns against Comicbook/{{Batman}} writer Tom King when he had Damian easily defeating Jason in Comicbook/RobinWar.
10th Mar '17 1:59:30 PM flyingfishcake
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* TrollingCreator: Comicbook/{{Batman}} writer Tom King posted a half-serious Batfamily combat rankings list that enraged fans to no extent, prompting other writers to get in on the fun as well. Some of the controversial picks included ranking both [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} Cassandra Cain]] and [[Comicbook/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] over Batman himself, and putting [[Comicbook/{{Robin}} Jason Todd and Tim Drake]] [[FandomBerserkButton below some notable female characters]]. To add insult to injury, he also jokingly ranked Jason below Ace the Bathound in terms of intelligence.
9th Mar '17 8:07:17 AM AlternativeCola
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Tim Drake is considered to be this, for being a worthy successor to Dick.
** Carrie Kelley, who was introduced in ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', is well-liked by fans as well. She would finally making her way to the main DC Universe with ''ComicBook/TheNew52'', though not as Robin (despite being introduced after Damian's death).
11th Dec '16 9:09:41 AM XSpectreGreyX
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** Tim Drake's two Red Robin costumes get this reaction from different segments of the fandom: the Pre-Flashpoint one has a cowl that sometimes gets called "Condom Head" and the overall look is reminiscent of older but sometimes forgotten character Doctor Midnight. The ''New 52'' version, meanwhile, is often seen as too busy, highly derivative, and is sometimes called the "Swan Princess" look. The former costume also extends to Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, given they both wore it, too (albeit in Dick's case, in the {{Elseworlds}} story ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'').

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** Tim Drake's two Red Robin costumes get this reaction from different segments of the fandom: the Pre-Flashpoint one has a cowl that sometimes gets called "Condom Head" and the overall look is reminiscent of older but sometimes forgotten character Doctor Midnight.Midnight, but without anything to break up the black (Midnight had a crescent moon and green goggles). The ''New 52'' version, meanwhile, is often seen as too busy, highly derivative, and is sometimes called the "Swan Princess" look. The former costume also extends to Dick Grayson and Jason Todd, given they both wore it, too (albeit in Dick's case, in the {{Elseworlds}} story ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'').
5th Nov '16 6:29:03 PM Berrenta
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* TrueArtIsAngsty: A part of the reason for so much stigma against Robin outside of cartoons and comics; the idea of Batman, a dark and brooding loner, taking on a protogé who dresses in a campy brightly coloured costume is seen as such an ill-fitting idea that some believe that Robin simply ''cannot'' work on film, and its not helped by the only time he got a 'serious' [[InkStainAdaptation film adaptation]] was the Creator/JoelSchumacher films, ''Film/BatmanForever'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which didn't do well for his image, leading both Creator/ChristianBale and Creator/ChristopherNolan swearing against including him in [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy their films]]. It should be noted that in those films ''and'' the classic Adam West 60s ''Series/{{Batman}}'' show, Robin wasn't any worse than Batman in how he was depicted, so blaming him for it is pretty unfair.

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* TrueArtIsAngsty: A part of the reason for so much stigma against Robin outside of cartoons and comics; the idea of Batman, a dark and brooding loner, taking on a protogé who dresses in a campy brightly coloured costume is seen as such an ill-fitting idea that some believe that Robin simply ''cannot'' work on film, and its not helped by the only time he got a 'serious' [[InkStainAdaptation film adaptation]] adaptation was the Creator/JoelSchumacher films, ''Film/BatmanForever'' and ''Film/BatmanAndRobin'', which didn't do well for his image, leading both Creator/ChristianBale and Creator/ChristopherNolan swearing against including him in [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy their films]]. It should be noted that in those films ''and'' the classic Adam West 60s ''Series/{{Batman}}'' show, Robin wasn't any worse than Batman in how he was depicted, so blaming him for it is pretty unfair.
19th Aug '16 11:37:20 PM KingDyste
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** The original Earth-2's Robin first costume as an adult, a bizarre mishmash of Robin and Batman's designs, having Batman's bodysuit, boots and gloves with Robin's domino mask and cape, with a mixed logo. Thankfully it was switched fairly soon afterwards to a better outfit (the same one used by Robin in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold''), though the ''Convergence: Detective Comics'' tie-in brought back this outfit, which is even derided in-story.
29th Jul '16 7:59:33 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.



** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker (although, like Jason, he still is one).

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** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreaker BaseBreakingCharacter (although, like Jason, he still is one).
23rd Jun '16 3:16:51 PM flyingfishcake
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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.

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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing widely panned writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.
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