History YMMV / Robin

23rd Jun '16 3:16:51 PM flyingfishcake
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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.

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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the polarizing widely panned writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.
11th Jun '16 11:48:35 AM flyingfishcake
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** There have been multiple moments in which Damian, a character that's very notable for being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, [[CurbStompBattle beats the hell]] out of Jason, a character that has remained TheScrappy for so long.
10th Jun '16 6:04:23 PM flyingfishcake
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.



** While Judd Winick brought Jason back in ''Under the Red Hood'' is Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him as an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws

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** While Judd Winick brought is usually considered this for Jason back in ''Under Todd, due to his "Under the Red Hood'' Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlawsa vigilante gone overboard.



** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest BaseBreaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans.



** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well due the wildy different takes among the writers that have used him or the bias against his series' writer, Scott Lobdell.

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** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well due well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, the wildy different takes among the writers post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help that have used him or he's been clumsily integrated back into the bias against Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That his series' writer, Scott Lobdell.current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.
9th Jun '16 9:19:45 PM MagBas
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks[=/=]TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Jason Todd got both. Pre-Crisis, he was a circus acrobat, his backstory nearly identical to Dick Grayon's. Nobody liked him. Post-Crisis, he was a juvenile delinquent living on the streets. Nobody liked him. Talk about an UnpleasableFanbase.
5th Jun '16 9:58:45 AM Tzitzimine
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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. ** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. BaseBreaker Robin.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.
5th Jun '16 9:56:08 AM Tzitzimine
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because of his lack of regard for ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.



** Judd Winick is usually considered this for Jason Todd, due to his "Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as a vigilante gone overboard.

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** While Judd Winick is usually considered this for brought Jason Todd, due to his "Under back in ''Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison Red Hood'' is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason Scott Lobdell the one that solidfied him as a vigilante gone overboard.an important character in the DCU through ComicBooks/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws



** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being considered by most to be one of DC's worst ongoings.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seems to have gained quite a few fans, although he is still the biggest Base Breaker Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being considered by most to be one of DC's worst ongoings.
** Stephanie Brown became a fan favorite thanks to her highly praised [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl 2009}} Batgirl]] series.



** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, the post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help that he's been clumsily integrated back into the Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That his current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.

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** The New 52 version of Jason Todd receives a lot of this as well. Where he was previously a nuanced villain in WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood, well due the post-Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}} version of him is more of a cookie-cutter angsty anti-hero. It also doesn't help wildy different takes among the writers that he's been clumsily integrated back into have used him or the Bat family (most likely by editorial mandate), and is utilized as TheGenericGuy or for TheWorfEffect. That bias against his current series is written by Creator/ScottLobdell and has been lambasted by critics and fans alike also makes things worse.series' writer, Scott Lobdell.
5th Jun '16 9:51:18 AM Tzitzimine
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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the questionable writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.

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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the questionable polarizing writing of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.
28th May '16 10:24:25 AM DreamerCynist2
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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former being swept under the rug in the New52

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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged StuffedInTheFridge treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former Robin being swept under the rug in the New52New52.
28th May '16 10:20:36 AM DreamerCynist2
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* BrokenBase: For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.

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For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.air.
** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former being swept under the rug in the New52



* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling (in particular, a lack of regard for ShowDontTell) and because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling (in particular, a his lack of regard for ShowDontTell) ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing.writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.
12th May '16 9:10:37 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* BrokenBase: For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.
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