History YMMV / Robin

28th May '16 10:24:25 AM DreamerCynist2
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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former being swept under the rug in the New52

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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged StuffedInTheFridge treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former Robin being swept under the rug in the New52New52.
28th May '16 10:20:36 AM DreamerCynist2
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* BrokenBase: For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.

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For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.air.
** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridged treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former being swept under the rug in the New52



* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling (in particular, a lack of regard for ShowDontTell) and because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws (and by extension its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal). Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partially because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling (in particular, a his lack of regard for ShowDontTell) ShowDontTell, partially because they find many of the scenarios touched upon when writing Jason (such as Jason moving on from his past and healing from his trauma) to be an example of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot and partly because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing.writing. Not helped by the fact that Lobdell's admitted in an interview that he cares more about action beats then character arcs or the perception that he views Jason as his personal self-insert.
12th May '16 9:10:37 PM XSpectreGreyX
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* BrokenBase: For Tim's Red Robin look: Condom head vs. Swan queen. Some feel the condom head look works because it takes inspiration from Batman and is just more practical, which reflects Tim's character. The swan queen look is liked for having some practicality in the cape. While nobody will say either is an amazing costume design, which one is better is up in the air.
11th Apr '16 6:32:44 PM DreamerCynist2
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling.storytelling (in particular, a lack of regard for ShowDontTell) and because of some UnfortunateImplications that has cropped up throughout his writing.
16th Feb '16 5:42:05 PM MagBas
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partly because of CharacterDerailment and partly because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that like Jason are a bit put off, partly because of CharacterDerailment and partly off, because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling.
15th Feb '16 7:54:52 PM flyingfishcake
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* MyRealDaddy: Chuck Dixon often gets this praise from Tim Drake fans, having defined the character, alongside a majority of the Batfamily as a whole, throughout the 90s and early 00s.

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Chuck Dixon often gets this praise from Tim Drake fans, having defined the character, alongside a majority of the Batfamily as a whole, throughout the 90s and early 00s.00s.
** Judd Winick is usually considered this for Jason Todd, due to his "Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as a vigilante gone overboard.



* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight:
** A common complaint about Damian Wayne (though Peter Tomasi usually escapes this criticism). Then Morrison killed him.
** Judd Winick is usually considered this for Jason Todd, due to his "Under the Hood" storyline and how pooly received Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws is. Though Grant Morrison is generally praised for his portrayal of Jason as a vigilante gone overboard.
15th Feb '16 7:52:48 PM flyingfishcake
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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the questionable writing of Red Hood and the Outlaws or its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal.

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** Jason Todd. Either he's a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] who's just misunderstood, or a murderous asshole who taints the Robin legacy. The fact that his characterization is inconsistent and [[DependingOnTheWriter heavily dependent on the writer]] doesn't help matters, nor does the questionable writing of Red Hood and the Outlaws Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws or its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal.Comicbook/RedHoodArsenal.
15th Feb '16 9:16:43 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Vitoria, alias The Wanderer, from ''Red Robin'', was born in Brazil. As a young girl, she was abused by the men in the village. One day, while running from the men, she fell into a pit of venomous spiders. However, instead of dying, she gained the power to kill with a touch. After killing the men (which was justified), Vitoria murdered her mother, then went on a [[SerialKiller killing spree]] across South America, slaughtering people at random. When she grew bored with this, she recruited a band of likeminded [[PsychoForHire Psychos For Hire]], which she names the Council of Spiders, and attacked the League of Assassins for [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame sport]], butchering dozens of its members in the process, and caring not a whit for any innocents who got in the way. BuriedAlive after her plot failed, Vitoria [[UngratefulBastard killed the man who rescued her]], before announcing her intention of moving on from targeting assassins to targeting heroes.
15th Feb '16 9:16:01 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: ''Red Robin'': Vitoria, alias The Wanderer, was born in Brazil. As a young girl, she was abused by the men in the village. One day, while running from the men, she fell into a pit of venomous spiders. However, instead of dying, she gained the power to kill with a touch. After killing the men (which was justified), Vitoria murdered her mother, then went on a [[SerialKiller killing spree]] across South America, slaughtering people at random. When she grew bored with this, she recruited a band of likeminded [[PsychoForHire Psychos For Hire]], which she names the Council of Spiders, and attacked the League of Assassins for [[HuntingTheMostDangerousGame sport]], butchering dozens of its members in the process, and caring not a whit for any innocents who got in the way. BuriedAlive after her plot failed, Vitoria [[UngratefulBastard killed the man who rescued her]], before announcing her intention of moving on from targeting assassins to targeting heroes.
15th Feb '16 6:43:13 AM DreamerCynist2
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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, even those that 'like' Jason.

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* CreatorsPet: The amount of doting Scott Lobdell does for Jason Todd at the expense of characterization and plot has turned most people away from Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws, even those Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Even many fans that 'like' Jason.like Jason are a bit put off, partly because of CharacterDerailment and partly because the doting often comes at the expense of good storytelling.



** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''[='=]s origin for Tim Drake is heavily criticized by many fans. Pre-boot, he was an intelligent, non-athletic nice guy and AudienceSurrogate who had the most "normal" upbringing of all the Robins and became Robin because he realised how important it was [[MoralityPet for Batman to have a Robin]]. In the New52 continuity, he's an arrogant, friendless gymnast. He has never been "Robin" and only ever been "Red Robin", became Batman's sidekick because he wanted a challenge and his last name isn't really Drake.

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** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''[='=]s origin for Tim Drake is heavily criticized by many fans. Pre-boot, he was an intelligent, non-athletic nice guy and AudienceSurrogate who had the most "normal" upbringing of all the Robins and became Robin because he realised how important it was [[MoralityPet for Batman to have a Robin]]. In the New52 continuity, he's an arrogant, friendless gymnast. He gymnast who has never been "Robin" and only ever been "Red Robin", he became Batman's sidekick because he wanted a challenge and his last name isn't really Drake.
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