History YMMV / Robin

3rd Feb '18 3:53:50 PM nombretomado
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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridge treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former Robin being swept under the rug in the New52. Others feel that her tenure as Robin was short-lived and relatively unimportant to her character and the Bat-mythos.

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** Stephanie's StuffedInTheFridge treatment was (and still remains) controversial and many fans also take umbridge at her status as a former Robin being swept under the rug in the New52.ComicBook/New52. Others feel that her tenure as Robin was short-lived and relatively unimportant to her character and the Bat-mythos.



** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''[='=]s origin for Tim Drake is heavily criticized by many fans. Pre-boot, he was an intelligent, non-athletic nice guy and AudienceSurrogate who had the most "normal" upbringing of all the Robins and became Robin because he realised how important it was [[MoralityPet for Batman to have a Robin]]. In the New52 continuity, he's an arrogant, friendless gymnast who has never been "Robin" and only ever been "Red Robin", he became Batman's sidekick because he wanted a challenge and his last name isn't really Drake.

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** The ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''[='=]s ''ComicBook/New52''[='=]s origin for Tim Drake is heavily criticized by many fans. Pre-boot, he was an intelligent, non-athletic nice guy and AudienceSurrogate who had the most "normal" upbringing of all the Robins and became Robin because he realised how important it was [[MoralityPet for Batman to have a Robin]]. In the New52 New 52 continuity, he's an arrogant, friendless gymnast who has never been "Robin" and only ever been "Red Robin", he became Batman's sidekick because he wanted a challenge and his last name isn't really Drake.
30th Dec '17 9:03:05 AM Wyldchyld
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** While it gets a pass generally for GrandfatherClause reasons, the classic Robin outfit is seen as this for many people. Of course, the biggest issue is the uncovered legs, and one could make the argument that many of the people who deride it often have no problem with female characters baring the look (infact, GenderBender female Robin costumes are pretty popular in some parts for being FetishFuel), which leads to some DoubleStandard issues.

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** While it gets a pass generally for GrandfatherClause reasons, the classic Robin outfit is seen as this for many people. Of course, the biggest issue is the uncovered legs, and one could make the argument that many of the people who deride it often have no problem with female characters baring the look (infact, GenderBender female Robin costumes are pretty popular in some parts for being FetishFuel), look, which leads to some DoubleStandard issues.
27th Sep '17 2:54:53 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Tim's New 52 origin where Tim Drake isn't his real name and he was never Robin? Gone. ''Detective Comics'' #965 spends the first few pages basically establishing that the pre-Flashpoint origin is canon again and that Tim ''was'' Robin.
8th Aug '17 11:07:58 AM flyingfishcake
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* ToughActToFollow: Whenever there's a change in creative team for a Robin, fans are often split as to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks whether or not the new writer does the character justice]]. Prime examples include Chuck Dixon for Tim, Judd Winick or Grant Morrison for Jason, and Grant Morrison or Peter Tomasi for Damian. With Dick, the trope is either TurnedUpToEleven or subverted entirely, due to the number of successful writers that have handled the character.

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* ToughActToFollow: Whenever there's a change in creative team for a Robin, fans are often split as to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks whether or not the new writer does the character justice]]. Prime examples include Chuck Dixon for Tim, Judd Winick or Grant Morrison for Jason, and Grant Morrison or Peter Tomasi for Damian. With Dick, the trope is either TurnedUpToEleven or subverted entirely, due to the number of successful writers that have handled the character. Also see: MyRealDaddy.
8th Aug '17 11:07:26 AM flyingfishcake
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* ToughActToFollow: Whenever there's a change in creative team for a Robin, fans are often split as to [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks whether or not the new writer does the character justice]]. Prime examples include Chuck Dixon for Tim, Judd Winick or Grant Morrison for Jason, and Grant Morrison or Peter Tomasi for Damian. With Dick, the trope is either TurnedUpToEleven or subverted entirely, due to the number of successful writers that have handled the character.
8th Aug '17 11:00:50 AM flyingfishcake
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** Jason, as Red Hood, also gets this treatment, often at the [[http://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11125/111253914/5680846-fgfgf.jpg hands of Damian]], as a KickTheSonOfABitch moment.
3rd Aug '17 6:37:23 PM flyingfishcake
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** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horribly arrogant, obnoxious, violent and cruel person who only gets to be Robin because of his last name.

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** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) and has exhibited tremendous CharacterDevelopment over the course of several books, or a horribly arrogant, obnoxious, violent and cruel person who only gets to be Robin because of his last name.



** Damian for nearly murdering Tim in his first appearance. Also, for the multitudes of people he killed for the League of Assassins.

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** Damian for nearly murdering Tim in his first appearance. Also, for the multitudes of people he killed for the League of Assassins.



** Jason Todd gained quite a few fans as Red Hood when he first reappeared, although he was still the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. This has gone back and forth, with the character's portayal being panned in the likes of Bruce Jones's "Nightwing" run, "Battle For The Cowl", and the New 52 Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Seems to have finally taken hold in the DC Rebirth incarnation of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws.

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** Jason Todd gained quite a few fans as Red Hood when he first reappeared, although he was still the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. This has gone back and forth, with the character's portayal being panned in the likes of Bruce Jones's "Nightwing" run, "Battle For The Cowl", and the New 52 Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Seems to have finally taken hold His status has arguably improved in the DC Rebirth incarnation of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws.



** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreakingCharacter. Sort of.

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** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreakingCharacter. Sort of.
1st Aug '17 12:55:02 AM LorienTheYounger
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** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horribly arrogant, obnoxious and dangerously brutal person who only gets to be Robin because of his last name.

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** Damian Wayne. Either he's a Woobie who just needs someone to believe in him (hello there, Dick) or a horribly arrogant, obnoxious obnoxious, violent and dangerously brutal cruel person who only gets to be Robin because of his last name.
31st Jul '17 4:52:19 PM LorienTheYounger
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** Damian for nearly killing Tim in his first appearance. Also, for the multitudes of people he killed for the League of Assassins.

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** Damian for nearly killing murdering Tim in his first appearance. Also, for the multitudes of people he killed for the League of Assassins.



** The creators seem to be aware how much of their fanbase dislikes Damian, and while they continue to pusg him as a prominent character they'll take the opportunity to have other characters take him down a peg. Like [[http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/11-NOV/TJH_11-4-2_581bdeb6296529.64840290.jpg this giant panel of Jon Kent gut-punching him.]]

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** The creators seem to be aware how much of their fanbase dislikes Damian, and while they continue to pusg push him as a prominent character they'll take the opportunity to have other characters take him down a peg. Like [[http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/11-NOV/TJH_11-4-2_581bdeb6296529.64840290.jpg this giant panel of Jon Kent gut-punching him.]]
31st Jul '17 4:50:55 PM LorienTheYounger
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** Damian for beating up Tim in one of his earlier appearances. Also, for the times he's killed.
** Robin in general, gets a lot of crap for supposedly being a DistressedDude. While Dick played this role straight a lot in the 60s series and Schumaker films, generally Batman was captured with him, and in the comics themselves Dick then went on to found the Teen Titans and become TheHeart of the entire DCU as Nightwing. As noted in TrueArtIsAngsty, some people seem to think that Robin ''cannot'' work in live action, even if they're willing to admit he could work seriously in animated or comic form (which leads to some form of AnimationAgeGhetto mentalities).

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** Damian for beating up nearly killing Tim in one of his earlier appearances. first appearance. Also, for the times he's killed.
multitudes of people he killed for the League of Assassins.
** Robin in general, gets a lot of crap for supposedly being a DistressedDude. While Dick played this role straight a lot in the 60s series and Schumaker Schumacher films, generally Batman was captured with him, and in the comics themselves Dick then went on to found the Teen Titans and become TheHeart of the entire DCU as Nightwing. As noted in TrueArtIsAngsty, some people seem to think that Robin ''cannot'' work in live action, even if they're willing to admit he could work seriously in animated or comic form (which leads to some form of AnimationAgeGhetto mentalities).



** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seemed to have gained quite a few fans, although he was still the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. However, in the New 52, he seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans, as well as his generally inconsistent characterisation.

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** Jason Todd, but only briefly. His Red Hood persona seemed to have Todd gained quite a few fans, fans as Red Hood when he first reappeared, although he was still the biggest BaseBreakingCharacter Robin. However, This has gone back and forth, with the character's portayal being panned in the likes of Bruce Jones's "Nightwing" run, "Battle For The Cowl", and the New 52, he seems 52 Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Seems to have returned to being TheScrappy, thanks to Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws being highly panned among critics and fans, as well as his generally inconsistent characterisation.finally taken hold in the DC Rebirth incarnation of Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws.



** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreakingCharacter (although, like Jason, he still is one).

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** Damian Wayne, thanks to some nice character development and his relationship with Bruce and Dick, has become less of a BaseBreakingCharacter (although, like Jason, he still is one).BaseBreakingCharacter. Sort of.



** There have been multiple moments in which Damian, a character that's very notable for being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, [[CurbStompBattle beats the hell]] out of Jason, a character that has remained TheScrappy for so long.

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** There have been multiple moments in which The creators seem to be aware how much of their fanbase dislikes Damian, and while they continue to pusg him as a prominent character that's very notable for being RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap, [[CurbStompBattle beats they'll take the hell]] out opportunity to have other characters take him down a peg. Like [[http://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2016/11-NOV/TJH_11-4-2_581bdeb6296529.64840290.jpg this giant panel of Jason, a character that has remained TheScrappy for so long.Jon Kent gut-punching him.]]
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