YMMV / Avenged Sevenfold

  • Acceptable Targets: Not the worst example, but they are often bashed for being too mainstream, too emo, too cheesy and/or not being "true" metal.
  • Anvilicious: "Critical Acclaim" from the Self Titled album, especially the spoken rants between the verses (mercifully absent in live shows). For a band that "doesn't want to impose their political views on others", that rubbed some people the wrong way.
  • Awesome Music:
    • Take your pick, but City of Evil is a good start.
    • They YMMV with the band, even haters tend to agree that "Bat Country", "Unholy Confessions", "The Beast and The Harlot", and "Afterlife" are awesome songs.
    • "A Little Piece of Heaven" is fantastic, disturbing (and funny) as it is, especially if you're a fan of Danny Elfman.
    • "Exist", the closing track from The Stage, was enjoyed even by people who didn't like the album, if only for Neil deGrasse Tyson's speech in the last part.
  • Big-Lipped Alligator Moment: The scene of Jimmy chasing a goose in All Excess.
  • Bizarro Episode: "A Little Piece of Heaven" and "Streets".
  • Broken Base: The Avenged Sevenfold fandom comes in about four camps:
    • Those who listen primarily to metalcore/post-hardcore tend to gravitate towards the band's first two albums, Sounding the Seventh Trumpet and Waking the Fallen.
    • Those who don't care much for metalcore/post-hardcore, but are fans of straightforward hard rock bordering on heavy metal would prefer the band's output from City of Evil and thereafter. Although, some may enjoy a handful of the less -core sounding songs from Waking the Fallen (in particular, Unholy Confessions). However, this group is divided further into two groups.
    • The band's previous album, Hail to the King, is not only the first album to be recorded without any input whatsoever from the late Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan - but also takes on a significantly different direction from the previous three albums (although probably not quite as drastically as City of Evil was from Waking the Fallen). According to lead singer M Shadows, the album can be described as "more blues rock-influenced and more like classic rock and classic metal in the vein of Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin". Quite naturally, this album would be even more disdained by those who prefer the band's STST/WTF-era style. But even a significant portion of those who have enjoyed the past three albums find the style to be too much of a departure for them.
    • Last, but not least, there are those who enjoy the entire body of the band's output. Even if the band may have modified their style a few times, the "Avenged Sevenfold flavour" was a constant in everything they did.
    • Also, arguments abound over who is the best drummer: Arin, Jimmy or Brooks.
    • "Critical Acclaim" is either Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped on people overly being negative on a war effort while doing nothing worthwhile themselves, or a Fox News worthy rant calling anyone who didn't like The War on Terror unamerican.
      • For those who do want to hear Jimmy's incredible chorus without hearing the rants, check out their live DVD, where the song is played without the speaking sections.
    • "The Stage" is either a return to form for the band, featuring a more progressive metal approach to their songs, or overly pretentious trash that ruins M. Shadows voice.
  • Crack Pairing: Arin and Jimmy. There is bandslash for Arin and Jimmy.
  • Crazy Awesome: The Rev.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: A Little Piece of Heaven, as described on the main page. But in particular this line.
    'Cause I really always knew that my little crime / Would be cold that's why I got a heater for your thighs
    • The music video even provides a handy image of said heater - the "Super Thigh Heater 3000GSS" - every time this part of the chorus is sung.
  • Epic Riff: Many. Particular mention to "Afterlife", where Syn just kills the guitar riffs so much that even the backup string players during the recording thought it's awesome.
  • Epileptic Trees:
    • Some say that "Fiction" is The Rev's suicide note, and that he killed himself over his heart condition and drug habits...Yeah...
    • There's been more than one fanfiction written where The Rev's not dead but in a mental hospital and the rest of the band is claiming that he's dead to protect him.
  • Face of the Band: Averted. The whole band are always seen as True Companions, and nobody really gets any publicity over anyone else ('cept maybe Johnny...)
  • "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:
    • It's a little unsettling to hear The Rev say "You'll never see me again" in this interview. Also, the song "Fiction" definitely counts even though it was released after his death, as it was the last song he wrote and the song is told from the point of view of someone recently deceased saying goodbye to their loved ones. To add to the eeriness, it contains the very last vocal and piano tracks he ever recorded and is the only song on the album that features his voice and playing. Well that, and this quote:
    M. Shadows: "The new album, Nightmare, is dedicated to The Rev's memory and although it's not exactly a concept album, it does center around The Rev. The eeriest thing about it is there is a song on the album called "Fiction", which started out with the title "Death". And the song was the last song The Rev wrote for the album, and when he handed it in, he said, that’s it, that’s the last song for this record. And then 3 days later, he died."
    • Not quite - he'd actually been writing the song for several years, referring to it as his masterpiece.
    • Another one here.
    • "Everybody's gotta die sometime..."
  • Funny Moments:
    • The Rev was made of this.
    • Go watch any of the backstage footage they've filmed for DVDs, or the vignettes they recorded for the Taste of Chaos tour.
    • This is just some of it. We could be here all day trying to find more.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: The band seems to have a huge South-American fanbase, for some reason. Some of their most massive concerts were in Brazil.
  • Growing the Beard:
    • It's often agreed that Waking The Fallen was the point where the band truly began to realize their potential as songwriters, which would later be expanded (in a different direction) on their works after leaving the field of metalcore.
    • Nightmare had much deeper lyrics than their previous albums, due mostly to the band's Author Existence Failure making the other band members more emotional.
  • Harsher in Hindsight:
    • This quote from Revolver's Avenged Sevenfold collector's edition:
    Synyster Gates: "Yeah, he fucking planned it all, that crazy fuck. Knew he was gonna be gone before 30. He told my dad that he was fucking out. He said, "I know two things: I'm gonna be in a famous rock band, and I'm gonna die before I'm 30." He told my dad that at 15."
    • The song Brompton Cocktail. For those unaware, it was written by The Rev about a man who will die due to something wrong with him and is given a Brompton cocktail (a mix of morphine or heroin, cocaine, and alcohol) to relieve the pain. The Rev was found with OxyContin, Valium, and alcohol in his system when he died; his enlarged heart was either considered part of the reason why he died, or he used them to make sure he wouldn't die suddenly from the aforementioned heart defect.
    • It's often said of him that he had a "huge heart", like a kind heart. He also had an enlarged heart, which partially lead to his death.
    • During the writing of Nightmare Zacky vengeance said in an interview that their next record "[would] take you on a very dark journey" and that "only a world spinning out of control could inspire the music and vision [we] have now. Once again, it is f—ing exciting.” The Rev died a month after the interview.
  • Heartwarming Moments:
    • Their 2010 album, Nightmare features numerous tributes to the Rev.
    • The video for Nightmare never shows the band performing together (Only Zacky & Syn playing together in the guitar solo), and ends with a single shot of The Rev's final drum kit, bathed in a white light - And this is the only shot of the drums in the entire video.
      • Technically there is a shot of The Rev's kit from City of Evil, smashed, broken, and crawling with spiders, (a reference to the Afterlife video, which has spiders crawling on The Revs face.) near the beginning.
      • Also, the video opens with a shot of a tattoo of The Rev's deathbat on Matt's hand
    • Mike Portnoy stepping in to fill in for The Rev on the album Nightmare and following tours. He was The Rev's favorite drummer and biggest influence.
    • Want bigger heartwarming? Each time the band plays "Fiction", being the last song The Rev worked on, they cast a white light on a piano, have his vocals play in the background, and when the outro organ music plays, they cast a white light on the drums. Beautiful.
    • In terms of heartwarming songs, "Warmness on The Soul" is a good example."I give my heart,cause nothing can compare in this world to you......."
  • He's Just Hiding: More than a few fans are convinced that The Rev's in the woods training to become the knife master.
  • Ho Yay:
  • Memetic Mutation: "Look at the size of that fucking duck!"
  • Narm: Their stage names.
  • Narm Charm:
    • The line "IT'S YOUR FUCKIN' NIGHTMAAAAAARE, HA HA HA" is very clichéd and cheesy, but nobody seems to care besides a few critics. "A Little Piece Of Heaven" is full of narm as well, but it's all tongue-in-cheek.
    • Their stage names fall under this.
    • Warmness On The Soul is a sweet song, but some think that Matt's voice ruins it.
  • Nightmare Fuel:
    • The music videos for many of their songs, but most notably the videos for "Bat Country" and "The Beast and the Harlot".
    • "A Little Piece of Heaven" in spades. Though this may count more as a Bizarro Episode if the underlying theme and its relation to the other songs of the Self-Titled Album is to be taken in context.
    • The Nightmare video has this, appropriately enough - Children playing in blood, a catatonic Syn Gates banging his bloodied head against a window...
    • Fiction is very chilling. Subverted when it becomes a Tear Jerker about half way through it.
      • And then goes back to being Nightmare Fuel for the last thirty seconds or so, which is basically a passage of eery near-silence.
      Not that I could,
      Or that I would,
      Let it burn,
      Under my skin,
      • Nightmare in general is either this or pure Tear Jerker, such some pretty disturbing songs such as "Buried Alive" (About dying and basically enduring hell for your actions), "Natural Born Killer" (Exactly What It Says on the Tin), and a full blown Rage Against the Heavens with "God Hates Us". Remember, this is an album dedicated to their deceased friend/drummer.
    • "Not Ready to Die," the song written for Black Ops Zombies, is sung from the point of view of Richtofen / the zombies...
  • Older Than They Think: Overkill's mascot Chaly has been around longer than A7X's Deathbat. The former band has even sent the members of the latter band shirts telling them to "get your own fuckin' mascot!" for "stealing" the design. However, the symbol of the skull with wings is older than Overkill themselves.
  • Periphery Demographic: The band has a surprisingly large female fanbase, given the kind of music they play.
  • Replacement Scrappy: Arin was this for some fans, who found him less skilled than The Rev. Often ignoring that the simpler drums on Hail to the King were a deliberate choice by the band.
  • Ship Mates: The bandslash fans do this a lot, most often with Synacky and Jimohnny.
  • Signature Song: "Bat Country," "The Beast And The Harlot," "Unholy Confessions," "Nightmare", and arguably "The Stage".
  • Signature Style: Expect poppy chord progressions and catchy Ear Worm hooks and Choruses, against metal backgrounds, references to The Bible, melodramatic and theatrical Large Ham lyrics, and a lot of harmonic minor keys. As well as healthy doses of sweeping in Synyster Gates's solos.
  • Squick: "A Little Piece Of Heaven"
  • Suspiciously Similar Song: A couple of examples.
    • "Hail to the King" seems to be the answer to Metallica's "King Nothing". The two songs don't sound that much alike musically, but the similar titles and lyrical contents gave some ideas to the fans.
    • "This Means War" has been called suspiciously similar to "Sad But True," especially in the intro and the verses. The band members themselves acknowledge the inpspiration.
    • "Heretic" sounds like Megadeth's "Symphony of Destruction".
  • Win Back the Crowd: While Hail to the King was received with a big, resounding "meh", The Stage is mostly seen (mostly) as a return to form, a few fans considering it their best album, period. Fans and critics who liked it notably praise the general concept, musical diversity and bigger risk-taking. Brooks Wackerman taking over the drums certainly helped more than a little too, as his drumming style is considered a much better fit for the band than Arin Ilejay's.


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