- Knights of the Old Republic
- Star Wars: Clone Wars
- The Force Unleashed
- The Star Wars Holiday Special
- Fate of the Jedi
- Then again, screwdrivers don't give you Evil Yellow Eyes and slowly turn you psychotic.
- So the Dark Side is a result of improper tool use amongst the Jedi?
- This is implied in Zahn's Hand of Thrawn duology. A Jedi using excessive power drawn from the Force loses the ability to hear its guidance; that's why Yoda, a Jedi Master, could lift an X-Wing from a swamp but ended up tired from the effort. Too much power, too little guidance... Dark Side. The main point of this was a Fix Fic about why Expanded Universe writers had been way, way, way overdoing the Force compared to what was demonstrated in the movies.
- Were you thinking of the "single-handedly reassemble the pulverized remains of Darth Vader's beachfront castle in five minutes flat with the power of the Force alone" incident, or the "throw seventeen full-sized Star Destroyers clean across the solar system" incident? Or the reborn Palpatine's penchant for ripping gigantic holes in hyperspace?
- Likely more the Vader Castle incident (the Star Destroyers were, at least, a group effort). It could be noted that Hand of Thrawn suggests using Force too often for too many things isn't all that good, either.
- So the Dark Side is a result of improper tool use amongst the Jedi?
- The EU is currently struggling with this. After the Vong War, the Jedi collectively decided (based on what Jacen learned from Vergere, a long-time Vong slave, tellingly) that there is no light side or dark side. Jacen continues to hold to this view even as he becomes noticeably crazier and more evil; the rest of the Jedi are becoming increasingly uncomfortable.
- Vergere stated, "There is no dark side to the Force, only in yourself."
- Not sure if it's Word of God, Word of Dante, or just Word Of Plot Convenience, but apparently Vergere was wrong. The Potentium philosophy, which basically states that good or evil in the Force come from the user rather than the Force itself, has been confirmed by the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook (according to Wookieepedia, anyway) to be "corrupt" and "misguided".
- Most likely, Word of a million authors intent on retconning anything the previous author had to say into oblivion.
- Best explanation is that the Potentium theory is actually true, but holding the "light" and "dark" sides in perfect balance requires an insane amount of skill, a lifetime of discipline, and the kind of emotional mastery that is vanishingly rare even among Jedi. With so few able to master the discipline, and with such terrible consequences for those that fail to do so (there's no margin for error when you're walking on the edge of the precipice), it's hardly surprising that the Order has historically erred on the side of caution and declared it heretical. The last thing you want is overconfident young Jedi convincing themselves that they can toy with the fringes of the dark side with impunity. It's a bit like the "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny" shtick - it's not literally true, but it serves to deter Jedi from getting anywhere near the dark side until they are wise enough to understand the nuances - whereupon most of them continue to steer clear of it.
- In that case, it does dominate your destiny. You are spending so much time balancing upon a razor's edge trying not to fall that it can never leave your mind.
- Ah. Yet another multi-levelled "certain point of view" statement.
- On the other hand, the Knights of the Old Republic series appears to embrace this mode of thinking: you don't gain Dark Side points through using Dark Side powers, but in the way you interact with others.
- In this tropers opinion this makes perfect sense. The Force doesn't make you inherently good or evil, there is no "Light" or "Dark". It's just that some people are corrupted by the thought of having so much power. It's not the power itself, it's the individual. Vader went mad not because of giving in to the "Dark Side" but because he couldn't stand the thought of losing the only woman he'd ever loved, while she was pregnant and but a few years after he learned his mother had been tortured and killed by Tusken Raiders. Plus the fact he spent his young years as the indentured servant of a greedy Jerkass can't have done much good for his mental health. If only there were psychiatrists in the Star Wars universe...
- There are: Jedi aren't allowed to visit them. Make of that what you will.
- The Jedi do at least have their own counseling services. Yoda advises Anakin to visit them in Revenge of the Sith. Being an idiot, he doesn't.
- With that fact and combining some of the above: the Force requires a certain set of beliefs in order to use it. It's only as powerful as you believe it is so if your belief starts wavering, then the Force starts to fail. As a result, a dogmatic, inflexible system of beliefs is required in order for their to use the power. If you believe that beliefs are relative, then you have to give some credence to people who don't believe in the Force and thus you yourself start to lose that ironclad belief. Some point in the mists of time of the Star Wars universe, somebody created a set of beliefs about Dark and Light and rigidly defined them. That tradition was passed down. As to why using the Dark side makes you turn wrinkly with yellow eyes, consider this: in the real world, beliefs can have concrete effects. Placebo painkillers can act as real painkillers, voodoo zombies believe that they have risen from the dead because that's the cultural belief, and certain Australian aborigines practice a system of belief where pointing a special bone can kill someone - and people who believe that have been killed by a "pointing bone". Now imagine that you've been brought up to believe that doing certain things are part of the "Dark side" and that this Dark side corrupts, then if you starting doing those things, then your mind makes it real. This also explains why Jedi start training at an early age - kids don't know that you're not supposed to be able to lift up a starfighter just by believing you can. It also puts everyone in a really weird situation: in order to use the Force you need to essentially delude yourself into believing that something which isn't true is true and that that makes it true. (My head!)
- I'm thinking the yellow eyes, the pallor, and the other nasty side effects of the DS are not so much the Dark side, but the fact that using the Force alters the caster's physiology. The Dark siders usually take on their apprentices in late adolescence or early adulthood, after they're full-grown. They also encourage getting insane amounts of power very quickly, leaving their bodies no time to adjust to the extra load. That, and all the anger, fear, and the dog-eat-dog nature of Sith adds constant stress, which also hurts them physically. Their power can sometimes compensate for it if they choose to. The Jedi are all about slow, incremental growth in power and ability, and they take their apprentices from the cradle. This allows their bodies to grow into their powers and adjust, the side effect there meaning they're pretty much hooked on it. (Which is why Kreia was able to smile, reverse the spell the council was casting on Exile, and kill the lot of them). While this explains some of the reasons why the Jedi recruit from the cradle, it makes it no less reprehensible.
- When Dark Siders die there is an explosion of energy equivalent to all the evil they have done. When Light Siders die they simply dissolve into the Force (generally). Clearly, regardless of what type of Force-use you perform, it causes changes to your body.
- Discussed heavily in a few bits of the expanded universe. Most notably Knights of the Old Republic II where Kreia explains that even pre-Rule of Two Sith are not true Sith, because the true Sith were a non-human species long extinct. "The Sith is a belief."
- The details about Plagueis are Jossed, however.
- Thing is, the Jedi weren't always the way they were depicted in the prequels. Prior to Exar Kun? They took their apprentices in adolescence/young adulthood, they weren't very centralized, and marriage/family was permitted, so long as it was understood that the Jedi business came first. No one blinked twice at the Sunrider family, for example. And even though Jolee screwed up, his problem was that he trained Nayama against orders, not that he married her or that she was too old. Exar Kun's little rampage must have scared the shit out of them, to the point of becoming reactionary and clueless. That's when they started with the child recruitment, and the "no love, aside from love of the Order" crap. It reached the point of art form with the Covenant killing their own Padawans, the rest of the Council pulling a collective duck and cover when the Mandalorians were turning the Republic to slag, and reached its pinnacle with the hypocritical and dogmatic Atris.
- In episode I, during the first battle between Qui-Qon and Darth Maul, Darth Maul tries to capture the queen alive, and thus cant risk damaging the ship near the battle. Qui-Qon doesn't know who their attacker is, and wants enough of him to remain to interrogate. It's also possible that Maul wanted Qui-Qon to be able to flee, so Amidala would reach Coruscant and get Palpatine elected.
- The second battle in episode I, is fought in a power plant, bad idea to throw force around there.
- In episode II the major lightsaber battle is near the end of the movie. None of the characters want to fling around too much energy out of fear of the cave collapsing
- This being the same battle where Dooku rips chunks out of the ceiling to impress his old master?
- Episode III contains the battle between Dooku and Anakin/Kenobi. None of them want to fling around force because of the fact they are about 10 cm of hull away from cold harsh space
- in the battle between Kenobi and Grievous, Grievous doesn't have any force powers and Kenobi is afraid that if he gained too much of an advantage, the droids would shoot him. Notice how he doesn't use force push against his opponent either, while this opponent has no defense against them
- The battle between Windu and Palpatine takes place in an area that couldn't exist on normal physics, clearly there is some sort of shielding or other technology holding the building up. Better to not blow it up, no?
- The battle between Yoda and Palpatine involves a lot more force powers then any other battle in the SW movies, this is because they can actually use most of their powers. They are still a little careful because of the senate seats being held up by repulsor lifts, and if they damaged the power source of that, they could get buried under an avalanche.
- For the last battle, lava, fragile structure and force powers do not mix.
- In episode IV, the battle between Vader and Ben took place near the Falcon, which Ben tried to protect. Vader wanted to toy a little with his old master, so he didn't go all out on him.
- In episode V, Vader didn't actually try to kill Luke and Luke was not fully trained, so he simply did not have the power for it. Now that I think about it, Vader probably didn't even use his forcefield, since Luke wouldn't be able to defeat him anyway.
- Before Luke learns the forcefield style, Yoda dies. He then goes to face the emperor and Vader. Vader and Palpatine can't use their full power since they are on a suspended platform over a giant power core. Luke goes all-out, since he doesn't know the technique.
- As the last living jedi, Luke teaches all he knows to his apprentices. All he knows does not include the forcefield technique/style, so all the Jedi in the post-ROTJ era go all-out in every situation, not minding their surroundings.
- Accidentaly played with in some Star Wars games. In Knights of the Old Republic, many light-side abilities where various force shields and ability boosts and dark-side powers weakened enemies (ignoring such visual effects like "red lightning" for life drain and sparkling for some others). Basically the only abilities that would be noticed by bystarnders are force lightning and telekinetic powers, just like in the movies. Averted just slightly with with the Jedi Knight series, as (especially in JK 3) Kyle and Jaden posses some of these also, and the fields are actually visible, but that's a detial.
- Oh, my, God, the Jedi have AT Fields. (Yeah, I know, everyone does, but still.)
- There's a Doylist explanation for this too, you realize: each adaptation is just a retelling of the same basic plot.
- It goes beyond this: the Dark and Light sides of the Force exist because of everyone. The Force is generated by living things, so who's to say that we can't have an impact on its "personality?" The Dark Side is as much a tangible force of evil as it is a reflection of the user.
As for why Anakin didn't try for this... Anakin was The Chosen One, a glory hound, and was impulsive, vain and undisciplined. He had a lot of pressure to fulfill the prophecy, liked the idea of being the Galaxy's number one hero, and would fail that "Jedi Marriage Test" on reputation alone. He couldn't fulfill all three, but wanted to, so he had to keep his relationship secret (which would get him expelled because he went and got married without the Order's approval), and this spiraled until Anakin had his Shoot Your Mate scenario play out (but was under actual field conditions), and we all saw how well that turned out.
This is to correlate the Jedi families mentioned in the Expanded Universe and Ki-Adi Mundi's own family. Those were either ex-Jedi or Jedi who passed the test, and Mundi himself got permission. Most Jedi didn't bother. Obi Wan didn't try for this test for Duchess Satine because at the time he knew he couldn't keep his feelings in check at the time and decided his ability to help the galaxy at large was more important to him than his own personal desires. As for why he didn't later, he didn't want to burden her with someone who couldn't be there for her all the time, and that would let her find one who could.
- Ki-Adi Mundi was a special case. Being from an endangered species, it was of the utmost importance that he married and had a family. The Jedi made a special exception for him because of this, as long as he didn't let it control him. For the rest of the Jedi however, marriage had been banned since approximately 4000 BBY as a part of the reforms set in place to prevent another Sith Lord like Exar Kun to ever come from the Jedi Order again (said reforms also mandated the teaching of padawans from childhood, a practice that was nonexistent prior to Exar Kun's betrayal)
- Jossed in "Children of the Jedi". Not only does the Force definitely exist, the particles that carry it can be detected by certain machinery. Additionally, a force user with a certain brain implant can use the force precisely enough to control droids, computers, and even ships, so long as he knows the schematics of the target. Not to mention the Ysalamiri, who could create an area free of the force by generating the opposite particle, similar to antimatter.
- None of that invalidates the original hypothesis, which is that Psychic Powers do exist, but not a Sentient Cosmic Force. In fact, that "The Force" is detectable and quantifiable effectively destroys its mystical significance and reduces it to simply an energy field generated by living things, some of whom (ones with high numbers Midichlorians in their cells) generate so much of this energy/particle that they can use it do seemingly supernatural things. This was reinforced in some of the supplemental materials for Dark Empire, which introduced the Universal Energy Cage. Designed by Imperial engineer Umak Leth, it was a purely technological device that used very powerful Deflector Shields to effectively "jam" a Force-user's powers. Other EU material (and supplements for Attack of the Clones) indicate that a Force-user can be prevented from accessing using their powers by applying minor, random electrical shocks to their bodies, thus suggesting that their ability to use "The Force" is a function of their biological nervous systems and not a metaphysical property of being "luminous beings, not this crude matter".
- When did this happen? Before the Mortis family. The Father, Son and Daughter are what remains of said man's mind and soul. The Celestials were probably the first lives said individual lived.
- My Jedi Exile was a 'he' so your point is invalid
- Canonically, the Exile is a 'she'. Of course, this adds new levels of tolerance to her makeup, because that meant putting up with the Disciple. (This troper tends to go with 'he', if for no other reasons than a) avoiding the Disciple and b) Handmaiden is a very, very sexy Lady of War).
- I'm of the Male Exile/Female Revan school. Mical is cut a lousy deal in-game. He's a last-minute addition, and it shows. (He's cut a much better deal in fanfic, but I digress). Furthermore, all of Obsidian's concept art and trailer refer to Exile as "he." Top it off with Brianna (Handmaiden) getting cut a very nice storyarc with a side order of Fanservice. Conversely, a female Revan gets an additional romance choice, a third ending, and access to 2/3 of the largest dialogue tree in the game. Only one Bastila conversation is locked off. And the final in-game reason? Saul Karath and the Leviathan. You know he's not going to permanently damage Bastila. Malak would give him a lightsaber enema. However, the non-Jedi Republic soldier is worth nothing to Malak, is Karath's former lieutenant, and has made no secret about wanting to use Saul for target practice. Let Malak deal with the Jedi - torturing Carth makes more sense! From what I understand, Bioware was also operating with the idea Revan was a woman, if only so that they remembered to keep the gender open.
- Then again, Male Revan and Carth strike up a huge bromance in the game. Partly because of the attempt to keep gender ambiguous except when needed, it borders onto Ho Yay at times. Do not underestimate the power of the bromance.
- Dude, this IS BioWare. Bisexuality is pretty much standard with these guys. See Sky and Silk Fox from Jade Empire and several crew members from the Normandy, Shepard included. They managed to sneak a lesbian Jedi catgirl under Lucasarts' radar, despite the company's notoriously homophobic track record. Chances are, they would have gone there in a Pride March float, grinning all the while.
- Canonically, the Exile is a 'she'. Of course, this adds new levels of tolerance to her makeup, because that meant putting up with the Disciple. (This troper tends to go with 'he', if for no other reasons than a) avoiding the Disciple and b) Handmaiden is a very, very sexy Lady of War).
- He was already plotting to create the empire even before he knew of the Vong, and he knew very little about them (his only source was pretty vague) so he just used it to Dupe Thrawn into helping him. And besides, Thrawn's fleet was meant to combat unknown threats like the vong. and tarkin was the one who imagined most of the weapons (there purpose was also specifically meant to show the public "obey us or we will fucking kill you")
- Orchestrating the Clone Wars wasn't an effort to build up the Republic into a force capable of fighting the Vong. It was about crippling any viable alternative.
- We shall see. Force Unleashed 2 is coming.
- Hard to say. Star Wars is very inconsistent about exactly how corrupting the Dark Side. On the one hand, we know that if you give yourself over entirely to the Dark Side you're pretty much straight up Evil with a capital E. On the other hand, in spite of the Jedi's claims to the contrary there's been many, many instances of Force-users who openly dabble in the Dark Side and yet don't fall. These examples include Kyle Katarn (and yes, he came close to falling, but he continued to use the Dark Side without falling after this initial brush), Jolee Bindo (if we're to believe his own words), and Mara Jade. Ultimately, there seems to be a difference between relying on the Dark Side as your primary source of power and using it as an ancillary tool to the rest of the Force.
- Asaj Ventress. She could have returned to the service of Sidious after The Clone Wars.
- The Inquisitor from the upcoming Star Wars: Rebels TV show.
- Darth Maul. Sidious said that he had plans for him, and this task could have been it.
- Wait... so R2/T3 sees shades of HK-47, a snarky, bloodthirsty assassin droid, in C-3PO, a prissy, cultured protocol droid? BS.
- Outbound Flight indicates the "blue ones" moniker comes not from Thrawn but from his brother, Thrass, who sacrificed himself to land the ship safely.
- I think you're overestimating Thrawn.
- I thought that Thrawn should have taken precautions after noticing a change in the Noghri (which he mentioned to Pellaeon) as well. However, much as I'd love for him to return, I don't see it in the cards. If he had foreseen that Rukh would turn on him, it would have been much easier to kick Rukh off the Chimaera than to create a clone just for Rukh to kill. Then Thrawn could have been at Bilbringi in person, and possibly even won the battle since he wouldn't have gotten assassinated halfway through it. No, the best we can hope for are more Thrawn stories set before his death and maybe, someday, the awakening of a Thrawn clone.
- Kinda confirmed in the Tabletop RPG supplement Legacy Era, listing them all as part of "Vao family legacy".
In that sense, they truly are one-third of a trinity between themselves, the Jedi, and the Sith. All three of them are powerful cultures consisting of many different races, and each culture has influenced the galactic stage in ways greater than any other possible culture combined.
First: We know from Anakin's Quest that Tahiri's grandfather was a Jedi who hid on Tatooine sometime between Order 66 and A New Hope.
Second: Thanks to Anakin's actions in Attack of the Clones, there is a conveniently-located emotional bloodstain to mask the presence of Jedi. The closest spaceport is Mos Eisley. The Jedi would not remain too close to the Valley of the Spirits for long (anymore than Yoda would have moved into the cave where he'd slain the traitor from Bpfassh), but it would appear that proximity is important.
Third: We know from Quest that Tahiri's grandfather was slain by stormtroopers.
Fourth: We know from Nightlily that Pylokam went to see Balu, apparently to denounce a Jedi. This could have been Kenobi, but then how did the Imps get on Gramps' trail?
Conclusion: That was not Obi-Wan that Trevagg sensed at Pylokam's, but the elder Jedi Veila. Evidently, Pylokam somehow figured it out and turned him in.
- Mara has a redheaded child, she wins.
- Considering Luke and Peter have a lot of the same idea as to what to do with Great Power, and what not to have it do to you? (I'm ignoring that really dumb "deal with the Devil" arc, like many other fen)
- And after that, Mara/Mary became Ginny Weasley.
- Since Ginny and Mary Jane are both more or less modern, this would be a double incarnation, or a reincarnation that occurs beyond the forward progression of time.
- Then their combined power in the world created Amelia Pond.
- Mephisto is the reincarnation of Palpatine, and ruined their marriage out of revenge for their pre-incarnation
- Personally always assumed that the name similarity was intentional by writers - Meaningful Names and inspiration from Campbellian stories are par the course for Star Wars.
- Yuuzang Vong aren't that united. Scratch the surface, they have a lot of internal bickering and a caste based system which include rejects. I think they may be Tau genestealers though, and because Tau are so resistant to mental psychic attacks, the Tyranids failed to establish their hive mind control over them. They then reversed engineered the Tyranid organic technology...
- The characters:
- Luke = Harry: The Hero - duh.
- Han = Ron: Supporting male lead with snarky personality.
- Leia = Hermione: Female lead in a Slap-Slap-Kiss relationship with Han/Ron.
- Yoda = Dumbledore: Whimsical mentor figure.
- Palpatine = Riddle/Voldemort: Charismatic guy loved by everyone until he shows what's Beneath the Mask as a cackling sorcerer and becomes the Big Bad.
- Vader = Snape: Seduced by The Dark Side when he was a young man and redeemed as an adult. Not liked by Luke/Harry, but is ultimately forgiven. Punishes people unfairly.
- Padmé = Lily: Love of Vader/Snape's life whom he lost through his association with The Dark Side. Mother of Luke/Harry.
- Mara Jade = Ginny: Fiery Redhead girlfriend of the hero. At one point, an agent of Palpatine/Riddle.
- Obi-Wan = Hagrid: Bearded guy who lives in a hut and recruits the hero by telling him a bunch of lies about his past.
- Groan. Can't wait to see Harry's hand chopped.
- To be (re)trained as a Jedi, Revan had to complete The Three Trials (compare to The Secret of Monkey Island).
- The Quest for the Star Forge involves Revan searching different planets for four pieces of a Star Map (compare to Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge).
- When the Four Map Pieces are combined, they lead to an object of unimaginable wealth and power, but which turns out to actually be an object of confusion and destruction. (compare Big Whoop to the Star Forge)
- The most powerful mêlée weapon in the early section of the game is a Prototype Vibroblade, which is specifically made for "the user on a budget". Compare to Guybrush's assortment of low-quality tools, including a shovel made "For the treasure hunter on a budget."
- Revan is a kleptomaniac.
- Guybrush has shown evidence of Jedi knowledge, including the Jedi Mind Trick.
- It is canon that Revan redeemed Ajunta Pall, leading him back to the Light. For this to be possible, Revan must have developed a high Charisma and Persuade skill. Scoundrel is the only non-Jedi class that has Persuade as a class skill. A scoundrel is a pirate.
- Revan's scoundrel clothing is a fancy red jacket, similar to one of Guybrush's in Escape from Monkey Island. To avoid catching the notice of Sith soldiers on Taris, Revan would have needed nonmilitary style casual clothing: this excludes the Soldier's uniform.
- No Basic-speaking character ever actually says Revan's assumed name outloud. They clearly cannot quite remember it. The few alien-language speaking characters who do say it manage to muddle the pronunciation terribly, so that it sounds nothing like "Guybrush Threepwood". This is a problem that applies almost exclusively to Guybrush.
- Similarly, if Revan makes fun of Nemo's name on Dantooine, Nemo responds that names are of little importance, and that "you of all people should know that." This occurs while Revan is still using his assumed name—Guybrush Threepwood.
- On Taris, Revan encounters someone named Largo. Coincidence?
- If Revan arrives on Korriban after rediscovering his identity, and he tries to tell the Sith that he is actually Darth Revan, no one takes him seriously. No one. This is a problem that applies almost exclusively to Guybrush.
In the Stargate universe, Humans have a known origin (Earth/Tau'ri) but they were still seeded across the galaxy by the Ancients (and later the Goa'uld, of course, who play a similar role here to the Builders/Rakata). Furthermore, just like the Celestials the Ancients were the masters of interstellar travel and left behind numerous unexplained relics of immense power (the eponymous Stargates, Destiny, Atlantis, etc.).
We already know the Ancients colonized several galaxies, so it's not a stretch to say they could have colonized both Earth and a "galaxy far, far away." We already known the Ancients obtained the ability of ascension and the Celestials are hinted to have done something similar (thereby explaining their mysterious absence). So it doesn't seem like that big of a stretch (so long as we ignore the obvious fact that this is WMG and not serious canon we're discussing) to suppose the Celestials are the Ancients.
- The slayers in that film were early Yuuzhan Vong, Colwyn's control of fire and the glaive were force techniques, and the son of the Prince and Princess destined to rule the Galaxy? his name was Palpatine.
- Alternative non-displacement in space rather than time: A long time ago, our galaxy was far, far away.
- This also allows Coruscant or Tatooine to be Earth.
- No! Humans are immigrants! The Neanderthals were native inhabitants from this planet and we wiped them out.
- For the latter, the two-suns fable was added later; stories told and retold tend to get combined with local elements.
- In Attack of the Clones, Palpatine makes reference to "this Republic which has stood for a thousand years". This could be considered a retcon of the earlier "over a thousand generations", if you want to place the films as close to the present as possible.
- The Republic is actually 25,000 years old, and gets reorganized every so often. Palpatine was referring to the last reorganization, the Ruusan Reformation, 1000 years or so before Episode 3. This is the official explanation.
- On the other hand, it's never stated in the films that the Republic was founded by humans.
- Actually, it was founded by an alliance of Humans and Duros, the first two spacefaring species in that section of the Galaxy. (Though there were older galaxy-spanning governments by then-extinct species.)
- This is the plot of a book that was never published called Alien Exodus. It was never published for numerous reasons (would have seemed silly, ignored current EU continuity, etc).
- As for details, the descendants of Curtis Henderson (American Graffiti) escape the dystopian earth of THX-1138, get enslaved by Insect Overlords in some distant galaxy, and eventually overthrow them and found Corellia. The man leading the revolution is nicknamed "Skywalker" by his people. Seriously.
- Well, if you read the Ultimate Guide to Vehicles, the manufacturer's logos from Corellia do look like they could pass for space shuttle mission patches.
- The ORIGINAL Teaser from 1976 tells us that "Somewhere in space, this may all be happening right now..."
- According to the Infinities story Into the Great Unknown, Star Wars takes place about 126 years before Indiana Jones. Since the trend lately has been to incorporate as much stuff from official materials into the canon until contradicted by higher-level material, it could be argued that this fact is canon. If so, that hardly seems like a long time in a galaxy where the average government regime lasts ten thousand years.
- The problem with that theory is, that story is contradicted by higher level material, namely the New Jedi Order series. Dus to the deaths of certain characters, the events of "Into the Great Unknown" are impossible to reconcile with other canon. And besides, that story was just silly.
- In Shadows of the Empire, there's a ship called the Korolev. Nobody of that name in the Star Wars galaxy. A rocket pioneer by that name from the real world. Interesting.
- It always bugged this troper how despite its setting as being separate from Earth, characters in various Star Wars media use phrases such as "Achilles Heel".
- Of course, we can counter that with this
- Geez, it's just the standard Translation Convention at work, nothing to get your mynocks in a sarlacc about.
- NOBODY in the WHOLE GALAXY? Wow. Just... wow. Must have taken you years of research to check every name... except for the trillions of unnamed inhabitants of twenty million whole worlds, of course. Besides, Star Wars has a buttload of things named after real-world people, places, and concepts as an in-joke. Grabbing any one and saying "this proves they're us!" is... wow, just wow.
- Then again, they seem to use metric, and in one novel someone refers to "Joules."
- It always bugged this troper how despite its setting as being separate from Earth, characters in various Star Wars media use phrases such as "Achilles Heel".
- The Milky Way is the Galaxy, and the time is the present. The reason we don't have any contact with the Republic or anybody else, is that Earth is one the most distant and forgotten planets in the Galaxy, to the point we don't remember any past contacts with the republic.
- Doesn't work. Milky Way has a bar. The GFFA has none.
- See also the Star Wars entry under Space Jews, particularly regarding the "Ferrets."
- Alternatively, time is cyclical in Star Wars, so it's both the future and the past.
- Maybe the narrator is lying and it isn't "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away", which would explain how they have humans...unless maybe some Star Wars DNA managed to cross to our galaxy and land on Earth a few million years ago. As to how they speak English...I guess we have to assume that it is translated for us movie goers. Same thing with "Achilles Heel", could be their version was just translated for us. That's the explanation that Tolkien gives for his stuff.
- You're all making this much too complicated: by definition, the terms "a long time ago" and "far, far away" are synonymous, since space and time are the same thing. Likewise, all faster-than-light travel is, by definition, a form of time-travel into the past. So at some point in the future of planet Earth, human beings will develop faster-than-light travel, and eventually use it to travel to and colonize distant galaxies. Of course, the colonists will arrive in those other galaxies long before they left ours. As such, the events depicted in the films are occurring "a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away," from the perspective of our galaxy. So you see, it's really simple.
- Hyperspace is a form of extra-dimensional warp drive, it would fall under 'Apparent' FTL travel and not real FTL travel. Time travel is not a consequence of Star Wars' Hyperdrive.
- The reason why there are Rubber-Forehead Aliens? They're humans who, due to evolution/genetic engineering, have become new species to adapt to the many planets. There are some exceptions, like Plo Koon (who can't survive in oxygen).
- And this is why we're the most distant and forgotten planet in the Galaxy. They think it's barren and lifeless.
If we take this wild guess to the extreme, we reach an interesting conclusion...
- Then how did we go from iron-based blood to copper-based?
- At one point, the Earth suffers a planet-wide cataclysm (perhaps an impact with a giant asteroid) that strips away most of the atmosphere. As a result, the Earth still has oxygen, but its atmospheric pressure and temperature are dramatically lowered. Scientists decide that the quickest way to prevent human extinction is to mutate human physiology so that it can thrive in such an environment. They release a bacteriophage (a virus that injects DNA into cells) that mutates bone marrow cells so that they create erythrocytes where hemoglobin (iron-based) is replaced by hemocyanin (copper-based, which works better in cold, low-pressure environments). The humans of Earth, now adapted to the new environment, keep evolving naturally (perhaps with one or two more artificial pushes along the way) and eventually turn into the Yuuzhan Vong.
- They must have moved it, too, to keep the two suns together in the sky. Or maybe this was an attempt to lengthen the Sun's lifespan by turning it into two smaller, cooler, less hydrogen-intensive stars.
- "You bastards! You blew it up!"
- And somehow moved from the edge of the galaxy to the center?
- They used Centerpoint to pull it there.
- The boy who stood on the hill watching the above-mentioned battle (then offered Mace a drink of water afterwards) played a large role in the creation of the propaganda films.
- That part was actually canonized in a sourcebook-type article on the official website (ref), with the exception that it doesn't explicitly say that the version we see is the boy's version.
- The fact that the boy created a cartoon based on the Battle of Dantooine is canon. However, according to Leland Chee, the Clone Wars cartoon as we know it as factual, and everything in it happened as depicted.
- That part was actually canonized in a sourcebook-type article on the official website (ref), with the exception that it doesn't explicitly say that the version we see is the boy's version.
- Karen Traviss is a Mandalorian or writing for a primarily Mandalorian audience, so her documents are written from a Mandalorian-ethnocentric perspective
- The Jacen Solo administration has been subject to centuries of smear campaigns and caricature, and he wasn't actually that nutty or Slippery Slope diving in "actual" history, sorta like Nixon in reality- bad, but comically exaggerated in popular culture
- Vergere is an extremely controversial figure, with different authors thinking her very wise or insidious, and so different documents present her very differently
- Daala is also a very controversial figure, with various authoritative authors exalting and lambasting her as either utterly incompetent or one of the most skilled persons ever, and most portrayals as a result end up with elements of ridicule and praise, resulting in appearances of Informed Ability
- This might also be a case of pandering to an in-universe Memetic Badass while sticking with less-impressive historical facts
- Also alternatively, she really piled it on high with the propoganda during her time as chief of state, resulting in a lasting positive public opinion of her that bleeds into the historical accounts- and is spoofed by some who disagre
- So much emphasis is placed on not using racial slurs towards the Yuuzhan Vong of the NJO series because of "present-day" Yuuzhan Vong antidefamation groups making such slurs very not PC
- Luke is a pretty useful member of the rebel alliance in A New Hope, although a little prone to believing everything an old man tells him, no matter how crazy it sounds. The more Luke learns about the force, the less useful he seems to become. In A New Hope, he saves them all.
- After all the build up in Episode 5, a showdown between Luke and Vader was inevitable, and the only way it would come out without being forced was if Luke went out on his own. Plus, Luke was the epitome of usefullness during the Sail Barge scene. If he hadn't been their, or if he hadn't used the force, they would have all died, so yeah, he was still useful.
- If the Force really works, why would people who knew Vader dismiss it as an "old religion"? If he's choking people from a distance, at least those in the inner circle would know it was real. This suggests the "choking" scenes are just wishful thinking on Vader's part.
- "Welcome to Imperial Officer Training 101, first lesson: Lord Vader thinks he can choke us all by waving his hand. If he ever finds out he can't, he'll just stab us with his lightsaber. Just act it up, fall over, and then we're ready to introduce "New Recruit: John Smith".
- I vaguely remember reading a book years ago, where it was mentioned people thought the choking came from some of the technology built into him, not from the force.
- Yes! I know what you're talking about! Someone else even built a glove with sonic disruptors to mimic Vader and make everyone think he had force powers.
- You're thinking of The Glove of Darth Vader, one of the Young Adult books of the Jedi Prince series. While the glove itself was augmented to enhance the wearer's strength, the Force Choke was all Vader. Trioculus had it installed with a device to simulate the Force Choke in order to maintain the illusion that he was Palpatine's son and heir to the throne. And that's about the most believable part of the series. The rest are painful to read, even at the appropriate age, and left completely out of continuity for a very good reason.
- The sonic disruptor didn't mimic the force choke, it caused intense pain and tissue damage exactly the way you would expect a sonic cannon to have cause, though it was meant to be his version of a force choke. It was the lightning emitters that maintained the illusion that he was Palpatine's son.
- Nobody else sees Yoda, and R2 seems really quite concerned throughout the Dagoba sequence — which lasts for weeks by the look of it, and yet very little time has passed for everyone else.
- Not quite. The Falcon's hyperdrive is knocked out at that time, meaning that they have to drag their butts to Bespin at sublight speed. Given the distances between stars in your typical galaxy, it could've easily taken several years.
- Luke is confirmed to hallucinate at least somewhat while on Degoba - remember the duel with the Darth Vader who had Luke's face? It would also explain how Luke managed to find Yoda when he could have been anywhere on an entire planet.
- Not quite. The Falcon's hyperdrive is knocked out at that time, meaning that they have to drag their butts to Bespin at sublight speed. Given the distances between stars in your typical galaxy, it could've easily taken several years.
- Thus, the Force is a fiction, which lives primarily in the madness of the Skywalker family.
- I'm sorry, but Luke made the shot into the Death Star's exhaust port, which everyone else, who were in bombers with targeting computers failed to do. It's always been real. What about when Palpatine toasted Luke, or the explosion that occured when he hit the reactor. There is no way an old man could have realeased that much energy unless he had dark energy.
- Re the exhaust port— Two Words: sheer luck. The rest were hallucinations.
- Or it wasn't even Luke that made the shot. That would explain why the medal scene was completely without dialogue - it was a hallucination/dream sequence.
- Re the exhaust port— Two Words: sheer luck. The rest were hallucinations.
- Also, the Jedi mind trick is obviously the force, as is Obi wan sneaking around the Death Star to everyone except Vader, as well as his body vanishing into thin air when Vader cut him down. Plus if the force was fake it would undo one of the key aspects of the story (not to mention make it a lot more dull.)
- Note that the Jedi Mind Trick fails in Episode VI. In Episode IV, the droids don't seem to notice the stormtroopers much so it could have been a hallucination by Luke that Obi-Wan went along with to further his "Force" ideas. Also, Obi-Wan is a Retired Badass, which could explain the sneaking around the Death Star as simple stealth skills combined with a stealth field generator (they exist in the Star Wars universe according to KOTOR). He deactivated it to face Vader honorably. As per his vanishing when Vader cuts him down, perhaps there was a sudden power surge in Vader's lightsaber while he was cutting him that caused him to evaporate? After all, Vader is mentally unstable in this WMG and might have misaligned a wire in his lightsaber or some such thing.
- Obi-Won and Yoda both evaporate... according to Luke's point of view. Whenever we see other Jedi die outside of Luke's POV, that doesn't happen.
- First of all, the force trick only effects the weak minded. Jabba the Hutt ain't weak minded. Bib Fortuna on the other hand, was effected. And they technically do notice stormtroopers, they just stay out of the way. As for Obi Wan; there are scenes when Obi Wan walks RIGHT IN FRONT of the Storm Troopers and they don't notice. The situations he's in are only doable with the force. In addition, stealth field generators don't work at close range according to the game, and obi wan was at close range. We had no idea that Obi Wan intended to die. What's more, your scenario brings in a lot of other extra factors that violates occam's razor. And A New Hope was made 26 years before Kotor. for all intents and purposes stealth generators don't exist as far as we know. There's also a scene where Vader looks up after Obi Wan uses it. And vader just HAPPENS to know that Obi Wan is on the Millenium Falcon. Again, fanon is fine, but rewritting the whole frigging saga is just stupid.
- The Jedi Mind Trick is only targets reacting to intimidation, just like the Force Choke. The people that do respond are all mooks who have more to lose by confronting the Jedi than by playing along. The Storm Troopers figured arguing with a crazy old guy with a laser sword about droids was above their pay grade - same with Bib Fortuna or the death stick dealer. If someone doesn't play along, the Jedi rationalizes that they're "strong-minded".
- Note that the Jedi Mind Trick fails in Episode VI. In Episode IV, the droids don't seem to notice the stormtroopers much so it could have been a hallucination by Luke that Obi-Wan went along with to further his "Force" ideas. Also, Obi-Wan is a Retired Badass, which could explain the sneaking around the Death Star as simple stealth skills combined with a stealth field generator (they exist in the Star Wars universe according to KOTOR). He deactivated it to face Vader honorably. As per his vanishing when Vader cuts him down, perhaps there was a sudden power surge in Vader's lightsaber while he was cutting him that caused him to evaporate? After all, Vader is mentally unstable in this WMG and might have misaligned a wire in his lightsaber or some such thing.
- Alternatively, they don't need to have sex. The Dark Side is powered by passions, including their lust. Meaning Palpy got a sexual thrill off electrocuting Luke.
- There is some actual canonical basis for this. Star Wars: The Old Republic blatantly states that Sith of the old Empire could do anything they wished and no one could do a damn thing about it. Darth Malgus openly kept a Sex Slave he considered a common-law wife until he killed her for being a potential liability. If a Sith Warrior corrupts Jaesa, she admits to getting a little drunk at a party, sleeping with a handsome young officer, then killing him afterward. A Sith Warrior can also order both his potential love interests (Vette and Dark Side Jaesa) into a threesome, and in an earlier patch, you could force Vette into a romance without removing her slave collar, essentially keeping her as a Sex Slave. The love interest for the female Sith Warrior already knows he is unlikely to survive the affair and will be killed as soon as she is bored of him. And if your Sith makes an advance on NPC characters, they often become visibly nervous and afraid. Leave it to BioWare to fly as much Squick as they can while still adhering to a Lucasarts-mandated T rating
- Also, the Dark Side is powered by anger, fear, and hatred. So the master might rape their apprentice to increase their apprentice's power.
- So that is why George Lucas refuses to acknowledge its existence.
- Mara actually has a nightmare in Union #3 that goes something along the lines of this WMG; well, the last part anyway.
- I'm not sure how to resolve his duel with and defeat by Obi-Wan, though.
- It also does seem odd that Obi-Wan would leave him to burn, both for reasons of mercy and practicality.
- It's actually implied by Mara Jade that Palpatine used to carnally punish Vader as well. Not to mention he impaled himself on a lightsaber in the duel with Maul in Resurrection.
- That last one's from the non-Canon stories listed in Star Wars Tales, though. Vader did it to stab Darth Maul (a clone of him, actually) through himself. Maul Clone then asks incredulously what Vader could possibly hate enough to destroy him, and he replies: "Myself."
When he first began production on the Dark Troopers, General Mohc traveled the systems of the Empire, searching for the best and most elite troops he could find to enlist in a "special project" that he said would make them the strongest fighting force in the Empire. He promised that these elite troopers would become "gods among men", and would carry enough power to lay waste to the Rebellion once and for all. All they had to do was accept his offer. Most of the troops he approached accepted immediately, driven by thoughts of greed or ambition to become the best of the best in the Empire. They were taken to the Arc Hammer and ordered to report to the medical facilities, and that is when Mohc carried out their transformation. The troops were each brought in and sedated on an operating table, while a medical droid with a scalpel attachment carefully opened their cranial cavities and removed their brains. Once in the proper life support containers, their brains would be lobotomized and modified, removing any forms of personality or memory from them along with anything that would hinder them from rational, mechanical thought, turning them into cold, heartless, unfeeling killing machines. They were also given special brainwashing implants that would ensure that they served Mohc and the Empire fully and completely, without question. After the modifications were made, the brains of the elite troopers would be placed into a cybernetic chassis, and their own Imperial pride would forever condemn them to exist as the Empire's newest weapon, the Dark Trooper.
Of course, initial tests of the procedure were far from successful. Some of the subjects succumbed to fits of madness and were nothing more than useless, gibbering husks. Others killed themselves immediately after activation. And there were a few who went on vicious killing sprees, turning their weapons on anything that moved before eventually being put down. But once the process was perfected, Mohc submitted his proposal to Darth Vader with the massacre of Talay and the subsequent destruction of Tak Base. Vader accepted, and Mohc continued his work on the Dark Troopers before being thwarted by the intervention of Kyle Katarn, the mercenary hired by the Rebels after information about the Dark Troopers was leaked by Crix Madine. His plans on the verge of failure, Mohc had the same brain transplant operation performed on himself so he could fight Kyle in one-on-one combat while also testing out his newest design of Dark Trooper armor. One thing Mohc didn't count on, however, was that while his Dark Troopers were powerful and nigh invincible, they lacked a vital quality that made the troops selected for the project stand out, something that Kyle had an abundance of—the imagination and creativity of the human mind. Kyle had used this to his advantage and was able to defeat Mohc and destroy the Arc Hammer, ending the threat of the Dark Troopers once and for all.